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#1 YukonOwner22

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 09:22 AM

I recently was having an intermittent problem with the Instrument Panel Cluster in my 2003 GMC Yukon. It would not display sometimes on startup, would take 10-20 seconds to come on. We took it to the dealer, who tested it and said "the IP Cluster intermittently will not display." They said they inspected it and found an "internal failure with the instrument panel cluster." They said they replaced the IPC ($350). Picked up the car and the odometer reading is different by more than 20,000 miles.

So, does this mean they changed the odometer? Or, did they put a used board in?
Not sure where to go from here, but something sure isn't right.
Any suggestions?

#2 sc4808

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:17 AM

This is a tough question to answer, first off, a couple of questions, is the odometer reading 20,000 lower than before or 20,000 higher than before and did the dealer place a decal (usually on the door jam) that says something like "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY".

If you have the "STICKER" then the value of your truck just dropped tremendously.

If you have no sticker and the new cluster is reading 20,000 lower than when you took it in, then you will have a moral decision to make when you sell the truck since the mileage is only stored in the cluster on that year model and not in the computer, it would be up to you to let the future owner know that the truck has 20,000 more miles on it than the odometer shows. That would be your call.

If you have no sticker and the odometer is reading 20,000 higher then the value of your truck has dropped but not by a huge amount.

If I had to guess, I would bet that if you look around you will find a "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY" decal and that really sucks, if you had posted on here before taking it to the dealer we could have walked you through the cluster swap, it only takes 20 minutes or so to do and clusters are availible on EBay.

Oh and the dealer could have reprogrammed the new cluster to show the same mileage as the old cluster but they still normally put the sticker on (and put the info in the vehicle history report that will show up on carfax so pealing the decal off won't help) due to the fact that if you were having cluster problems when you took the truck in then chances are that your odometer was already off ever so slightly and thus would warrent the "DECAL" anyway.

One more thing, the reason the dealers don't take any chances, and you should not either, is because there is a $5000.00 fine for tampering with a vehicles odometer, the decal that says "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY" relieves them of that liability.

Hope this helps.

Edited by sc4808, 27 May 2010 - 11:20 AM.

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#3 bossier62guy

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:52 AM

I recently was having an intermittent problem with the Instrument Panel Cluster in my 2003 GMC Yukon. It would not display sometimes on startup, would take 10-20 seconds to come on. We took it to the dealer, who tested it and said "the IP Cluster intermittently will not display." They said they inspected it and found an "internal failure with the instrument panel cluster." They said they replaced the IPC ($350). Picked up the car and the odometer reading is different by more than 20,000 miles.

So, does this mean they changed the odometer? Or, did they put a used board in?
Not sure where to go from here, but something sure isn't right.
Any suggestions?


Why don't you just take it back to the dealer that performed the work and make them correct the problem? Most dealerships don't even have the capability to reprogram the odometer/hour readings and usually they send the clusters off to an authorized repair station to have it done.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:58 AM

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#07-08-49-020B: IPC Odometer Programming Method Quick Reference Guide - (May 22, 2008)


Subject: IPC Odometer Programming Method Quick Reference Guide


Models: 2003-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Trucks (Including Saturn)

2003-2009 HUMMER H2, H3

2005-2009 Saab 9-7X



Attention: This bulletin applies to vehicles sold in the U.S. and Canada Only.



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This bulletin is being revised to add information for the 2009 model year and add new 2009 vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-08-49-020A (Section 08 -- Body & Accessories).


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The purpose of this bulletin is to provide a reference guide to help identify which season odometer programming method to use after replacing the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC). The three season odometer programming methods in use today are listed below. In addition, this reference guide lists the component where the season odometer value is stored. The season odometer value may be stored in the IPC, the Driver Information Center (DIC), or the Integrated Body Control Module (IBCM), also commonly called a Body Control Module (BCM).

Season Odometer Programming Methods In Use Today
IPC reprogramming and setup using the Service Programming System (SPS).
Odometer setup at the Electronic Service Center (ESC) when using an exchange IPC/DIC.
Tech2 -- The Tech2 is used to setup a replacement BCM, which includes loading the odometer value that is displayed and stored in the IPC. A replacement IPC will display the previously stored vehicle odometer value, communicated from the BCM, after cycling the ignition or driving the vehicle.
Model
Model Year
Odometer Value Storage
Odometer Programming Method

Buick

Century
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Enclave
2008-2009
IPC
ESC

LaCrosse/Allure
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

Lucerne
2006-2009
IPC
ESC

LeSabre
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Park Avenue
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Rainier
2004-2007
IPC
SPS

Regal
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

Rendezvous
2003-2007
IPC
ESC

Terraza
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

Cadillac

CTS
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

DeVille
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

DTS
2006-2009
IPC
ESC

Escalade
2003-2006
IPC
SPS

2007-2008
IPC
ESC

Seville
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

SRX
2004-2009
IPC
ESC

STS
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

XLR
2004-2009
IPC
ESC

Chevrolet

Astro
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Avalanche
2003-2006
IPC
SPS

2007-2008
IPC
ESC

Aveo
2004-2009
IPC
ESC

Blazer
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Colorado
2004-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Cavalier
2003-2005
IBCM
Tech 2

Cobalt
2005-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Corvette
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Epica
2004-2006
IPC
ESC

Equinox
2005-2006
IBCM
Tech 2

2007-2009
IPC
ESC

Express
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

HHR
2006-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Impala
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Kodiak
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Malibu
2003
IPC
ESC

Malibu
2004-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Monte Carlo
2003-2007
IPC
ESC

Optra
2004-2007
IPC
ESC

S-10
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

Silverado Classic
2003-2007
IPC
SPS

Silverado
2007-2009
IPC
ESC

SSR
2003-2006
IPC
ESC

Suburban
2003-2006
IPC
SPS

2007-2009
IPC
ESC

Tahoe
2003-2006
IPC
SPS

2007-2009
IPC
ESC

TrailBlazer
2003-2008
IPC
SPS

Traverse
2009
IPC
ESC

Uplander
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

Venture
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

GMC

Acadia
2007-2009
IPC
ESC

Canyon
2004-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Envoy
2003-2009
IPC
SPS

Jimmy
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Safari
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Savana
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Sierra Classic
2003-2007
IPC
SPS

Sierra
2007-2009
IPC
ESC

Sonoma
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

TopKick
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Yukon
2003-2006
IPC
SPS

2007-2009
IPC
ESC

HUMMER

H2
2003-2007
IPC
SPS

2008-2009
IPC
ESC

H3
2006-2009
IBCM
Tech2

Oldsmobile

Alero
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

Bravada
2003-2004
IPC
SPS

Silhouette
2003-2004
IPC
ESC

Pontiac

Aztek
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Bonneville
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

G5
2007-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

G6
2005-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

G8
2008-2009
IPC
SPS

Grand Am
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Grand Prix
2003-2008
DIC
ESC

GTO
2004-2006
IPC
ESC

Montana
2003-2005
IPC
ESC

Montana SV6
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

Pursuit
2005-2006
IBCM
Tech 2

Solstice
2006-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

Sunfire
2003-2005
IBCM
Tech 2

Torrent
2006
IBCM
Tech 2

2007-2009
IPC
ESC

Vibe
2003-2009
IPC
ESC

Wave
2005-2009
IPC
ESC

Saab

9-7X
2005-2009
IPC
SPS

Saturn

ASTRA
2008-2009
IPC
SPS

AURA
2007-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

ION
2003-2007
IBCM
Tech 2

L-Series
2003-2005
IBCM
Tech 2

OUTLOOK
2007-2009
IPC
ESC

RELAY
2005-2007
IPC
ESC

SKY
2007-2009
IBCM
Tech 2

VUE
2003-2007
IBCM
Tech 2

2008-2009
IPC
SPS

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#5 sc4808

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 02:51 PM

Great info, that confirms that the Odometer value is only stored in the Instrument Panel Cluster on these trucks, that is not very secure is it, a person could put 200K on one of these trucks and then put a used cluster showing 70K and get a lot more at trade in time, makes a person leary about buying a used GM truck.
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2009 Silverado K1500 4x4 Z71 ECSB
2006 GMC Sierra K1500 4x4 Z71 RCSB
2003 GMC Sierra K1500 4x4 RCSB
1995 Chevy K1500 Silverado Z71 4x4 RCSB
1994 Ford F150 4x4 Offroad RCSB

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#6 limpalong

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:08 PM

Dealer replaced instrument cluster in my 2004 at about 107.000 miles. When I picked the truck up, the odometer read exactly what it did when I dropped off the vehicle.

Today, another Chevy dealer replaced the instrument cluster in my 2008. 32,000 +/- miles. Took them all of about 50 minutes to make the switch and, again, the odometer in the new cluster was set exactly to what the truck had on it when I arrived at the dealer.

Two dealers... two trucks... two clusters... both set at the exact mileage of the faulty clusters that were removed.
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