Question About Instrument Panel Cluster & Odometer Reading

[YukonOwner22]

I recently was having an intermittent problem with the Instrument Panel Cluster in my 2003 GMC Yukon. It would not display sometimes on startup, would take 10-20 seconds to come on. We took it to the dealer, who tested it and said "the IP Cluster intermittently will not display." They said they inspected it and found an "internal failure with the instrument panel cluster." They said they replaced the IPC ($350). Picked up the car and the odometer reading is different by more than 20,000 miles.

 

So, does this mean they changed the odometer? Or, did they put a used board in?

Not sure where to go from here, but something sure isn't right.

Any suggestions?

[sc4808]

This is a tough question to answer, first off, a couple of questions, is the odometer reading 20,000 lower than before or 20,000 higher than before and did the dealer place a decal (usually on the door jam) that says something like "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY".

 

If you have the "STICKER" then the value of your truck just dropped tremendously.

 

If you have no sticker and the new cluster is reading 20,000 lower than when you took it in, then you will have a moral decision to make when you sell the truck since the mileage is only stored in the cluster on that year model and not in the computer, it would be up to you to let the future owner know that the truck has 20,000 more miles on it than the odometer shows. That would be your call.

 

If you have no sticker and the odometer is reading 20,000 higher then the value of your truck has dropped but not by a huge amount.

 

If I had to guess, I would bet that if you look around you will find a "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY" decal and that really sucks, if you had posted on here before taking it to the dealer we could have walked you through the cluster swap, it only takes 20 minutes or so to do and clusters are availible on EBay.

 

Oh and the dealer could have reprogrammed the new cluster to show the same mileage as the old cluster but they still normally put the sticker on (and put the info in the vehicle history report that will show up on carfax so pealing the decal off won't help) due to the fact that if you were having cluster problems when you took the truck in then chances are that your odometer was already off ever so slightly and thus would warrent the "DECAL" anyway.

 

One more thing, the reason the dealers don't take any chances, and you should not either, is because there is a $5000.00 fine for tampering with a vehicles odometer, the decal that says "ODOMETER DISCREPENCY" relieves them of that liability.

 

Hope this helps.

[bossier62guy]

I recently was having an intermittent problem with the Instrument Panel Cluster in my 2003 GMC Yukon. It would not display sometimes on startup, would take 10-20 seconds to come on. We took it to the dealer, who tested it and said "the IP Cluster intermittently will not display." They said they inspected it and found an "internal failure with the instrument panel cluster." They said they replaced the IPC ($350). Picked up the car and the odometer reading is different by more than 20,000 miles.

 

So, does this mean they changed the odometer? Or, did they put a used board in?

Not sure where to go from here, but something sure isn't right.

Any suggestions?

 

Why don't you just take it back to the dealer that performed the work and make them correct the problem? Most dealerships don't even have the capability to reprogram the odometer/hour readings and usually they send the clusters off to an authorized repair station to have it done.

[dlstewart01]

Service Information

Document ID: 2141327

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#07-08-49-020B: IPC Odometer Programming Method Quick Reference Guide - (May 22, 2008)

 

 

Subject: IPC Odometer Programming Method Quick Reference Guide

 

 

Models: 2003-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Trucks (Including Saturn)

 

2003-2009 HUMMER H2, H3

 

2005-2009 Saab 9-7X

 

 

 

Attention: This bulletin applies to vehicles sold in the U.S. and Canada Only.

 

 

 

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This bulletin is being revised to add information for the 2009 model year and add new 2009 vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-08-49-020A (Section 08 -- Body & Accessories).

 

 

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The purpose of this bulletin is to provide a reference guide to help identify which season odometer programming method to use after replacing the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC). The three season odometer programming methods in use today are listed below. In addition, this reference guide lists the component where the season odometer value is stored. The season odometer value may be stored in the IPC, the Driver Information Center (DIC), or the Integrated Body Control Module (IBCM), also commonly called a Body Control Module (BCM).

 

Season Odometer Programming Methods In Use Today

IPC reprogramming and setup using the Service Programming System (SPS).

Odometer setup at the Electronic Service Center (ESC) when using an exchange IPC/DIC.

Tech2® -- The Tech2 is used to setup a replacement BCM, which includes loading the odometer value that is displayed and stored in the IPC. A replacement IPC will display the previously stored vehicle odometer value, communicated from the BCM, after cycling the ignition or driving the vehicle.

Model

Model Year

Odometer Value Storage

Odometer Programming Method

 

Buick

 

Century

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Enclave

2008-2009

IPC

ESC

 

LaCrosse/Allure

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Lucerne

2006-2009

IPC

ESC

 

LeSabre

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Park Avenue

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Rainier

2004-2007

IPC

SPS

 

Regal

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

Rendezvous

2003-2007

IPC

ESC

 

Terraza

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Cadillac

 

CTS

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

DeVille

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

DTS

2006-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Escalade

2003-2006

IPC

SPS

 

2007-2008

IPC

ESC

 

Seville

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

SRX

2004-2009

IPC

ESC

 

STS

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

XLR

2004-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Chevrolet

 

Astro

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Avalanche

2003-2006

IPC

SPS

 

2007-2008

IPC

ESC

 

Aveo

2004-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Blazer

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Colorado

2004-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Cavalier

2003-2005

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Cobalt

2005-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Corvette

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Epica

2004-2006

IPC

ESC

 

Equinox

2005-2006

IBCM

Tech 2

 

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Express

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

HHR

2006-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Impala

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Kodiak

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Malibu

2003

IPC

ESC

 

Malibu

2004-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Monte Carlo

2003-2007

IPC

ESC

 

Optra

2004-2007

IPC

ESC

 

S-10

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

Silverado Classic

2003-2007

IPC

SPS

 

Silverado

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

SSR

2003-2006

IPC

ESC

 

Suburban

2003-2006

IPC

SPS

 

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Tahoe

2003-2006

IPC

SPS

 

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

TrailBlazer

2003-2008

IPC

SPS

 

Traverse

2009

IPC

ESC

 

Uplander

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Venture

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

GMC

 

Acadia

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Canyon

2004-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Envoy

2003-2009

IPC

SPS

 

Jimmy

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Safari

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Savana

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Sierra Classic

2003-2007

IPC

SPS

 

Sierra

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Sonoma

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

TopKick

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Yukon

2003-2006

IPC

SPS

 

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

HUMMER

 

H2

2003-2007

IPC

SPS

 

2008-2009

IPC

ESC

 

H3

2006-2009

IBCM

Tech2

 

Oldsmobile

 

Alero

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

Bravada

2003-2004

IPC

SPS

 

Silhouette

2003-2004

IPC

ESC

 

Pontiac

 

Aztek

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Bonneville

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

G5

2007-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

G6

2005-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

G8

2008-2009

IPC

SPS

 

Grand Am

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Grand Prix

2003-2008

DIC

ESC

 

GTO

2004-2006

IPC

ESC

 

Montana

2003-2005

IPC

ESC

 

Montana SV6

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Pursuit

2005-2006

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Solstice

2006-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Sunfire

2003-2005

IBCM

Tech 2

 

Torrent

2006

IBCM

Tech 2

 

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Vibe

2003-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Wave

2005-2009

IPC

ESC

 

Saab

 

9-7X

2005-2009

IPC

SPS

 

Saturn

 

ASTRA

2008-2009

IPC

SPS

 

AURA

2007-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

ION

2003-2007

IBCM

Tech 2

 

L-Series

2003-2005

IBCM

Tech 2

 

OUTLOOK

2007-2009

IPC

ESC

 

RELAY

2005-2007

IPC

ESC

 

SKY

2007-2009

IBCM

Tech 2

 

VUE

2003-2007

IBCM

Tech 2

 

2008-2009

IPC

SPS

 

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[sc4808]

Great info, that confirms that the Odometer value is only stored in the Instrument Panel Cluster on these trucks, that is not very secure is it, a person could put 200K on one of these trucks and then put a used cluster showing 70K and get a lot more at trade in time, makes a person leary about buying a used GM truck.

[limpalong]

Dealer replaced instrument cluster in my 2004 at about 107.000 miles. When I picked the truck up, the odometer read exactly what it did when I dropped off the vehicle.

 

Today, another Chevy dealer replaced the instrument cluster in my 2008. 32,000 +/- miles. Took them all of about 50 minutes to make the switch and, again, the odometer in the new cluster was set exactly to what the truck had on it when I arrived at the dealer.

 

Two dealers... two trucks... two clusters... both set at the exact mileage of the faulty clusters that were removed.