Looking for an Aggressive All-Terrain with good tread wear.

5RWill · November 6, 2014

So i seem to have it narrowed to Cooper Discoverer STTs, Toyo Open Country R/Ts, Mickey Thompson ATZ P3s, and maybe some Toyo AT IIs. Just wondering your thoughts on the mentioned above?

I was and still am favoring the Toyo R/Ts the warranty is sensational, the look great, and from what i hear do their job quite well.

The STTs however can be had for pretty freaking cheap for a 20" rim. 33x12.5x20LT are 290$ at tread depot, the Toyo R/Ts are 345$.

The AT IIs are probably the best for what i need, but they don't have quite the aggressive look i'm going for and if i can float between the lines of a mud tire and All terrain i'll do so. 65,000 mile tread warranty is awesome though.

Haven't looked too much at Mickey Thompson's figured they would be pretty pricey.

kstruckcountry · November 6, 2014

The Cooper STT's are a mud tire actually, but the Cooper ST Maxx may be more along the lines of what you're looking for. Kind of an "in-between" AT and MT. Have heard good things about them. But STT's will do good too, just a very aggressive tire.

ST Maxx:

I know at least a couple people on here are getting the Toyo R/T's, with Toyo's rep I would assume they're a good tire. I would lean towards them too, because the AT2's don't look as good.

5RWill · November 7, 2014

My cousin has toyo MTs and says the ride is fine to him. I can't remember haven't been in his truck in a while.

The STTs are so cheap that it doesn't even bother me that it's a mud tire. Cooper doesn't list the estimated tread life, and I couldn't find the warranty details.

Reading reviews some were saying 36,000 miles others were saying 45-50,000 max with consistent rotation. I do love the look of the STT riding reviews are good too, Id need to see how loud they are and how they ride for myself though.

The ST max looks good as well and will obviously have better tread wear compared to the STT so that's some consideration too.

The toyo RTs are my favorite hybrid between an all terrain and mud. But less the price comes down they will be hard to justify even with the awesome warranty. 345$ a tire is a little rough.

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kstruckcountry · November 7, 2014

The STT's are a great tire. They will hum like a mud tire but nothing crazy. I'd say 45k is a good estimate.

5RWill · November 7, 2014

45k is what I would expect out of the RTs or at least guaranteed they might go longer than that.

The STTs are absolutely monstrous as far as tread is concerned. For the money it's hard to beat.

Then again the STT max looks great too and gives me better tread wear. If I could just find the toyos for 300$ a tire it would be a non issue.

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InvertedAerials · November 8, 2014

I'm using Goodyear Duratrac's and they are absolutely incredible!!!

Jeff.

FormerFordGuy · November 8, 2014

I'm using Goodyear Duratrac's and they are absolutely incredible!!!

Jeff.

Are the Duratracs loud?

snarkee · November 8, 2014

The duratracs have a little hum but by no means are they loud

5RWill · November 9, 2014

Never looked at the Duratracs they're pretty aggressive as well. Right there with the R/Ts as far as looks are concerned, just as good of warranty as well. Price is almost the same as the R/Ts though looking at tread depot.

Was talking around about MPG hits once i got a bigger tire, and i might be sticking with a size like the ones on my truck if it means i'm going to take that large of a hit. I'd like to stay around 15-18 MPG if i could.

02suburbanZ71 · November 9, 2014

Duratracs are at walmart. I want a pair soon lol

LaserBlueZ71 · November 9, 2014

Your forgetting one big thing here, weight.

The Toyo R/T is an extremely heavy tire, far more so than the AT2. I think the AT2 in the Extreme addition is about the best A/T tire you can get right now. Mickey Thompson makes a great tire, but they are costly, harder to find, and pretty heavy too. Honestly, I wouldn't buy Cooper tires. They are not nearly aggressive enough, and just ugly IMO. If you get a tire that is too heavy, or too wide, your fuel mileage will suffer big time. Stay away from 60+ pound tires, and any width over 285 will hurt you. I see guys get 325 width tires and lose 3 - 4 MPG instantly. The bigger the contact patch, the more resistance, even in a straight line.

For me, it would be one of these three:

- Toyo AT2 Extreme - 285/65R18

- Goodyear Duratrac - 295/65R18

- Mickey Thompson ATZ P3 - 305/60R18 (just because 275/70 isn't quite wide enough to look right)

kstruckcountry · November 9, 2014

If you care about fuel mileage, you should stick with stock size. Weight won't really affect anything. There are a lot of good choices out there in stock size. Plus they will be a LOT cheaper.

The Toyo AT2's are very similar to my coopers.

LaserBlueZ71 · November 9, 2014

Yes, weight affects it quite a bit, actually.

The weight of a tire is more harmful than the diameter and width in most cases. Width is more harmful than diameter. This applies as long as you aren't comparing stock size tires to 37's. Unsprung weight is a killer for MPG. If a 33 inch tire existed that weighed as much as some 31.6 inch tires, you would notice no MPG increase, maybe a tenth. If you switch to a 60 pound 33 inch tire, from a 42 pound 31.6 inch tire, you will lose probably 2 MPG to be sure. Your gaining 18 pounds per corner, for a total of 72 extra pounds. 72 pounds of weight at the wheels is not the same as putting 72 pounds of weight in the box of the truck or in the cab. This extra weight must be rotated and kept in motion, not simply hauled as a static load. Put your truck on stands and take the wheels off, and walk on it. She will zip up to speed in no time. Put your tires back on and see how much harder the engine needs to work to rotate dead mass.

You can say it doesn't matter once the truck is up to speed, but it does. it just doesn't matter as much as stop and go traffic. It takes more effort to move more weight, no matter what. If you have any stop and go traffic at all, and you increase your tire weight by 30 - 40%, the truck will feel like a dog, and you will start using more fuel.

Tire weight is a HUGE factor in fuel economy and performance.

kstruckcountry · November 9, 2014

Ok I don't mean to derail this too bad, but it sounds like the OP is interested in economy. I went from P255/75/17 Goodyears at 37.5 pounds a tire, to LT265/70/17 coopers at 50 pounds a tire. So almost half again the weight on each corner. No change at all in mpg, even on the highway. I put over 30,000 miles on the P tires and have about 17,000 miles on the LT tires now. I hand calculate my mileage every fill up.

The added benefit of the LT tires is I haven't had a flat since I put them on 17,000 miles ago. With the P tires I had 5 patches in just one tire.

I'm not saying LT tires are for everyone. I'm not saying no one will ever lose any economy going to a stock diameter LT tire, there are a lot of other factors like compound, tread pattern, even the way the tires deflect. I'm just sharing my experience with going to a heavy tire.

00Silverado4x4 · November 9, 2014

My last set of tires were the Mastercraft Courser AT2s. They were a great AT tire and were cheaper than the Cooper name brand. I got about 45k miles out of them. Then I decided I really didn't "need" an AT tire so I now have Firestone Destination LE2. Believe it or not, they are not quite as good in the off road scene but are so much better on road then I've seen out of any passenger tire. Got about 22k miles on them and so far they have been great.