2016 Nissan Titan

Big Time · July 4, 2015

She has an available Cummins 5.0 turbo diesel v8. Not a bad entry for people who tow trailers.

http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/2016-titan/

Cowpie · July 4, 2015

I hope it works well. I always like Cummins when I owned a couple of N-14 motors in semi trucks. After being burned on a couple of newer Cummins ISX motors, they can stuff it. I don't want any vehicle from a go cart to a semi truck with anything Cummins in it. And another stupid V8 to boot. I only buy inline diesels. So yet another diesel pickup I will not be buying.

BlackZ71Silverado · July 5, 2015

Sounds like Nissan took a step in the right direction with their 1/2ton diesel selection and Dodge really missed out. Instead of sticking with Cummins who has been building Dodge Ram diesel engines for years, they decided to go with a Fiat powerplant in their 1500 Ram. That was a terrible decision IMO and now Nissan closed the deal with Cummins on the small V8.

It should be quite the towing machine with that strong diesel and transmission. I would have never imagined that the foreign trucks would beat the American trucks with a good strong diesel in a 1/2ton. Nissan will definitely increase sales with this truck but still may not get people to dump their GM or Ford trucks. Their only competition for now is going to be the Dodge Ram with their little Fiat diesel pickup. A surprising step in the right direction BUT the truck looks like a rebadged F150 to me....I like their choice of engine but would still never own one. Waiting on GM to wise up and use a Duramax in the 1500.

MikeNH · July 5, 2015

Fiat probably has forgotten more about diesels than Cummins will ever know. Many more cars in Europe are diesel than here. Also, the 3.0 was actually designed in conjunction with GM back when they owned a majority stake in Fiat- it was going to be used for a diesel Caddy CTS that never came out. This won't change a thing, the engine option will surely cost a fortune and no one takes full-size import trucks seriously.

SnakeEyeSS · July 25, 2015

Fiat probably has forgotten more about diesels than Cummins will ever know. Many more cars in Europe are diesel than here. Also, the 3.0 was actually designed in conjunction with GM back when they owned a majority stake in Fiat- it was going to be used for a diesel Caddy CTS that never came out. This won't change a thing, the engine option will surely cost a fortune and no one takes full-size import trucks seriously.

Brother told me his neighbor's 3 months old K2XX has vanished and there is a new Tundra in its place now. Someone likes them better....

j-ten-ner · July 25, 2015

...Someone likes them better....

...or it's a new neighbor.

so long

j-ten-ner

MikeNH · July 25, 2015

The Tundra is a joke. Ugly as hell, outdated, inefficient powertrain. Only people who buy them are lifetime appliance buyers who drink the Toyota koolaid.

Cowpie · July 25, 2015

Much as I am not a fan of Cummins, they have been in the game a long time... since 1919. I seriously doubt that Fiat has forgotten more about diesels than Cummins will ever know. Rudolf Diesel invented his motor only a couple of decades earlier. Fiat built it's first diesel powered car in 1950.... the Fiat 1400 with a 1.9L diesel.

I think the reverse might be true, that Cummins has forgotten more about diesels than Fiat will ever know.

VM Motori, the folks who built the diesel in my 2006 Jeep Liberty, started building diesels 3 years before Fiat. Fiat only got their hands on VM in 2011. The VM 2.8L is the base motor for the new 2.8L in the Chevy Colorado / GMC Canyon mid sized coming out. Makes sense since GM bought 50% of VM in 2003 from Penske. Fiat bought GM's interest in VM in 2013. I would venture to say the reason the GM 2.8L is remarkably similar to the VM diesel, is that they used it as the starting point for the new 2.8L while they still had a 50% stake in VM. If you look at the VM 2.8L inline 4 from the 2006 Jeep Liberty I had, side by side, with the new 2.8L in the GM midsize pickups, and unless you are a very technical geek and know what to look for, you can't tell any difference.

j-ten-ner · July 25, 2015

Well...just because someone starts from the pole position doesn't mean he wins the race.

so long

j-ten-ner

truckofwinandawesome · July 26, 2015

Much as I am not a fan of Cummins, they have been in the game a long time... since 1919. I seriously doubt that Fiat has forgotten more about diesels than Cummins will ever know. Rudolf Diesel invented his motor only a couple of decades earlier. Fiat built it's first diesel powered car in 1950.... the Fiat 1400 with a 1.9L diesel.

I think the reverse might be true, that Cummins has forgotten more about diesels than Fiat will ever know.

VM Motori, the folks who built the diesel in my 2006 Jeep Liberty, started building diesels 3 years before Fiat. Fiat only got their hands on VM in 2011. The VM 2.8L is the base motor for the new 2.8L in the Chevy Colorado / GMC Canyon mid sized coming out. Makes sense since GM bought 50% of VM in 2003 from Penske. Fiat bought GM's interest in VM in 2013. I would venture to say the reason the GM 2.8L is remarkably similar to the VM diesel, is that they used it as the starting point for the new 2.8L while they still had a 50% stake in VM. If you look at the VM 2.8L inline 4 from the 2006 Jeep Liberty I had, side by side, with the new 2.8L in the GM midsize pickups, and unless you are a very technical geek and know what to look for, you can't tell any difference.

its mostly because Cummins Engines (actually, ALL Diesel Engines) are being Strangled by EXTREMELY Strict Emissions Laws, and you would probably agree with me Cowpie, its gotten so bad, that Caterpillar LEFT the On Highway market after several decades in 2009, just before the SCR Mandates went into effect in 2010.

Cowpie · July 26, 2015

I would very much agree. Not sure how the N-14 would have fared in this EPA climate. That was a proven, well respected engine design. But Cummins felt the need to bring out an entirely new flagship engine with the ISX. Even before the EGR stuff came about in 2003, there were early ISX motors that were out in the world that signaled the problems they were going to have, especially with camshafts. Once the EGR got thrown on in 2003, the problems escalated. The downstream stuff like SCR and DPF that came late has not really affected the motor that much. It was the EGR, EGR Cooler, and VG turbo that contributed to motor problems more.

In some fairness, Cummins has worked to correct many of these issues, but you burn me twice, you don't get a third time at bat.