05 Silverado oil pump

[jaded13640]

I've been working on my bowling buddy's 05 silverado 2500 work truck. 6.0.

 

It has very low oil pressure only at an idle. The research I've done tells me this is a common issue with this motor. The pumps go to crap and need to be changed sometimes.

 

This is not a 4x4.

 

My labor guide does not give a time for R&R of the oil pump. The "manual" section tells how to do it but no time.

 

I've done some searching to find another guide that does say what it takes but haven't been successful as of yet.

 

Could someone who has a labor guide please look that up for me?

 

Looking at what has to be done and after watching a couple of vids it looks like a 6 to 8 hour job. That doesn't mean the labor guide will pay that much. Being a friend of mine and a good customer I don't want to bill him any more than I absolutely have to. So we'd both appreciate a number.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Wayne

[sahls01gmc]

Charge him $100 for labor and he buys the beer. That should cover everything you need.

[jaded13640]

Ha ha, that good a buddy he's not and I don't drink so that's a definite no go!

 

He wan't to pay me fairly and I want to charge him but as little as possible. I got by the labor guide and just knock my rate down for friends. I'm EXTREMELY busy right now and have to charge him. There's so much other work that if he wasn't a good friend he would have had to wait in line like everyone else. It's just me, one stall, a hoist and a wood stove in an old metal pole building. When work stacks up I have no choice but to work very long hours until I'm caught up. This was kind of urgent so I got it in for him. He owns an overhead door company with about 7 crews working at once. While this truck is down...it's a problem. He's fine with paying me fairly because he knows my "gimic" is that I don't scam anyone...ever. I don't even charge list on parts. I pass my discount on to the customer. I am pretty successful because I look at every vehicle as if it were my own. If something's no really broke I advise them that it'll go a while if money's tight. If they're good on funds and wan't to get it fixed while it's in the shop, I'll do what they want.

 

Anyway, I really need a number of hours this books for if anyone has a labor guide that lists it. Mine doesn't.

 

Wayne

[jaded13640]

The oil pan gasket appears to be riveted on. It looks like a reusable one. Is that something that is typically replaced when the pan's dropped or no?

[jaded13640]

I get that people have lives, that it's not their job to reply promptly to question. Maybe it in part because there are so many forums nowdays.

It used to be that if you were working on something and had a question it was understood that it wasn't something that could wait for days. If there was something you were stumped on it was holding up the whole project. People realized that and went out of their way to answer the question, On this particular topic I've had two questions and neither got answered.

 

When I was doing the heater core and wasn't finding any info on it and posted a question about that I actually got one reply saying, "if you need imeadiate help you should subscribe to some online question and answer deal".

 

Newsflash people, these forums were intended for people to share experience about their vehicles so that others could use that. Have they devolved to where they're nothing more than "look at my cool shit...ain't I cool for having this?"

The topic's been posted for 24 hours and I've gotten one response. It wasn't even a serious one. I wasn't mad, it was kinda funny and I appreciated him answering at all.

 

I NEEDED to know if it was standard procedure to replace the oil pan gasket asap. It's riveted to the pan so my assumption was that it was something you might not replace. How long was I supposed to sit there with my thumb up my ass, truck up on the hoist, engine exposed before getting an answer?

 

I'm not knocking your forum, this is typical of all forums anymore. It's just assumed that your question isn't that urgent...but if it wasn't why would anyone bother asking it in the first place? I'm hoping this comment will improve the situation for the next guy. When someone has run out of pe'ople to ask, can't find a vid or a write up about it, the manual doesn't answer the question they've posted the question on a forum as a last resort. They've already wasted a bunch of time before they even posted the question and can't wait any longer than necessary. So the next time someone posts a question, ANSWER IT! That's what forums are for. If you don't know the answer, say that. Maybe you saw a vid that he missed, LINK IT! That's why you're here!

[sahls01gmc]

I do know that it was riveted on the oil pan during assembly of the engine....that was the only purpose. My repair manual says to remove the rivet and it does not need to be replaced. Good rule of thumb would be to replace the gasket....especially seeing as it's 10 years old now.

 

I thought bowling was invented as an excuse to drink? My parents have some serious explaining to do....

 

Hope you get the pump fixed. I haven't had to tackle that on my truck.....yet.

[jaded13640]

First off, thanks for replying. I had a feeling that's the deal on the gasket. Being metal with embedded rubber it's probably something you could reuse but this is my first time dropping the pan on one of these as well and I work on cars everyday. Some things you just seem to not often have to do. I guess the pumps going or getting weak is a fairly common occurrence on these engines. Where they're otherwise a pretty solid design and not many issues. That being the case I figured this would be a good place to find experience on the topic.

 

I've already got the new gasket and will be replacing it either way now.

 

I hope nobody's offended by my comment about slow or lack of responses. It wasn't intended to imply people are being lazy. I think it's just gotten to where people on forums have forgotten the urgency that leads up to posting a question on a forum. Very often it seems no answer comes at all when, like your reply didn't directly answer it, it was extremely helpful and was enough information that I could have made my decision based on that info.

 

Thanks again,

 

Wayne

[txab]

6.6 hrs. More than that and your slackin' off.

 

 

 

........So the next time someone posts a question, ANSWER IT! If you don't know the answer, say that.........

 

So according to you everyone who doesn't know the answer to your questions should post that they don't know the answer?

[jaded13640]

6.6 hrs. More than that and your slackin' off.

 

 

 

So according to you everyone who doesn't know the answer to your questions should post that they don't know the answer?

 

 

 

 

My point is to do your best to be helpful. That's what these forums used to be about. You may not know all of the answer but usually someone knows some of it. Even though sahls hadn't ever done it he was able to tell me that his manual said that the gaskets are riveted at the factory and don't need to be replaced. He may not have realized it but that actually answered my question. When you see 50 views and no replies....you have to ask yourself why bother having a forum.

 

By the way, thank you very much for the labor time.

 

Wayne

[skiZR2]

Wayne, you coulda bought a manual yourself instead of writing a finely worded frustration post to everyone....if I knew the answers to anything you asked I woulda told you. By the book and rtfb...ski

[jaded13640]

Wayne, you coulda bought a manual yourself instead of writing a finely worded frustration post to everyone....if I knew the answers to anything you asked I woulda told you. By the book and rtfb...ski

 

 

Like I've already said, it's a very small operation. Me, an old metal building, wood stove, tools and a hoist. I work on WAY too many different types of vehicles and equipment to buy a manual every time I run across some odd thing that my online manual doesn't cover. I've got a huge stack of manuals that I bought and often didn't even answer my question and I had to figure it out myself or ask a question on a forum anyway. I work on everything from lawn mowers to race cars to cars, trucks, semis and everything in between. I also do some custom machine work and race engine building. I recently built some pieces for an old log splitter for a friend. Do you even realize how many manuals that would be? The purpose of forums is for people to share information. On my racing forums if I can't directly answer a question I will find something, a link to another forum that's more specific or what info I have regardless if it's identical to what he's working on or not...but at least SOMETHING. SOMETHING is often at least a little bit helpful and might lead to the answer. THAT'S why we subscribe to these forums. THAT'S why were here. Were NOT here to tell someone to go buy a manual and read the effing book. It's pretty disappointing to see how forums have gotten.

 

 

Again, thank you very much to those that replied with constructive information. The constructive information was very useful.

The statement, "you could have bought the manual....rtfb" was NOT helpful at all.

 

Wayne

[RyanbabZ71]

Ha ha, that good a buddy he's not and I don't drink so that's a definite no go!

 

He wan't to pay me fairly and I want to charge him but as little as possible. I got by the labor guide and just knock my rate down for friends. I'm EXTREMELY busy right now and have to charge him. There's so much other work that if he wasn't a good friend he would have had to wait in line like everyone else. It's just me, one stall, a hoist and a wood stove in an old metal pole building. When work stacks up I have no choice but to work very long hours until I'm caught up. This was kind of urgent so I got it in for him. He owns an overhead door company with about 7 crews working at once. While this truck is down...it's a problem. He's fine with paying me fairly because he knows my "gimic" is that I don't scam anyone...ever. I don't even charge list on parts. I pass my discount on to the customer. I am pretty successful because I look at every vehicle as if it were my own. If something's no really broke I advise them that it'll go a while if money's tight. If they're good on funds and wan't to get it fixed while it's in the shop, I'll do what they want.

 

Anyway, I really need a number of hours this books for if anyone has a labor guide that lists it. Mine doesn't.

 

Wayne

 

Maybe call a GM shop and ask what the labor time is for this standard job?

[RyanbabZ71]

 

 

How long was I supposed to sit there with my thumb up my ass,

 

As long as it takes to get an answer or to research and figure it out yourself? Not everyone has an answer for every issue. And with the response you gave i am sure many dont want to chime in now to help.

[jaded13640]

 

As long as it takes to get an answer or to research and figure it out yourself? Not everyone has an answer for every issue. And with the response you gave i am sure many dont want to chime in now to help.

 

 

The job's done now. That's the point. By the time I got a reply the decisions had already been made. When someone subscribes to a forum and starts a topic about a project they have to do but have questions it's usually because it's urgent. It no longer matters if anyone is keen to reply after what I said. And if what I said offends them they're not much use in a help forum setting anyway. That's exactly the attitude that have made so many forums useless nowdays.

 

I made that comment because forums didn't used to be like that. People on forums used to pass on what they knew right way. Or maybe it was a different situation. Maybe it used to be that typically people that subscribed to forums were more the gear head types and that's not so much the case now. Maybe it's just the shear number of people on forums, posts get lost because there are so many.

 

I really don't know what's changed but it's different now. You can post a question and days will go by, 100 views and no replies. It used to be you'd at least get, "I've not done it myself but I remember reading about....have you tried this?" It was more interactive and the goal was to figure out your issue and learn and gain experience in the process.

 

I'm sorry if you feel that days going by, 100 views but 0 replies is acceptable but it's not. It defeats the whole purpose of a help forum in the first place..

 

Again, thank you to everyone that did bother to reply and attempt to help me out.

 

Since you seem offended by my comment and are an administrator and monitor, would you prefer I, now that the job's complete, just close the window or write up a detailed procedure on how to do this job and what to watch out for? We have to work together and solve these issues, and write up "how to procedures". Otherwise these are just "x model owners forums" where people show off their new stuff. If that's all you want this to be. I'll make this my last post. Your call.

 

Wayne

[kstruckcountry]

Write ups are good, I usually make one up when I do something new.

 

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