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#1 matt_o_70

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 02:31 PM

I have a 2000 Bravada that is fairly new to me. The problem that I need the most help with is the smart track is engaged at all times.

I have pulled the "4WD" fuse and test driven and can then instantly feel that the truck is now in 2WD as it should be. I do not have any MIL showing any problems but have not had it scanned for any codes.

1) Tires are well worn but are all evenly worn across the set.
2) tire pressure is correct.
3) I have done the blue autotrac transfer case fluid change already since the PO acknowledged the car did bind when making very tight parking lot turns. He was given a bit of the run around trying to get it fixed.."they all do this" etc..

I have no previous GM experience but I worked for a toyota dealer for 6 years (ASE mastertech) in my previous career. This is my first personal car new enough to be an OBD2 car so until now I have not had any reason to own a scan tool. Will the affordable scan tools allow you to see any codes that pertain to the drive line? I assume that if the encoders/speed sensors were totally bad there would be a MIL of some kind?

How sensitive are these vehicles to tire wear? I don't want to put on new tires until this problem is fixed - but it would be ironic if worn tires was the cause of these problems?
Is there a spec for allowable tire diameter variation?

looking for some insight from experienced techs who have fixed the smart track systems. 1) Is the TCCM looking at encoders in the transfer case?
2) If so are there 2 - one for each drive shaft?
3) Since it seems that the transfer case motor engages and disengages with the fuse pulled. Is it safe to say the problem is elsewhere?
4) since there are no "service AWD" or CEL is is safe to assume that the TCCM "BELIEVES" that the encoderes are working properly?

Where should I look next?

Matt

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:32 PM

I have a 2000 Bravada that is fairly new to me. The problem that I need the most help with is the smart track is engaged at all times.

I have pulled the "4WD" fuse and test driven and can then instantly feel that the truck is now in 2WD as it should be. I do not have any MIL showing any problems but have not had it scanned for any codes.

1) Tires are well worn but are all evenly worn across the set.
2) tire pressure is correct.
3) I have done the blue autotrac transfer case fluid change already since the PO acknowledged the car did bind when making very tight parking lot turns. He was given a bit of the run around trying to get it fixed.."they all do this" etc..

I have no previous GM experience but I worked for a toyota dealer for 6 years (ASE mastertech) in my previous career. This is my first personal car new enough to be an OBD2 car so until now I have not had any reason to own a scan tool. Will the affordable scan tools allow you to see any codes that pertain to the drive line? I assume that if the encoders/speed sensors were totally bad there would be a MIL of some kind?

How sensitive are these vehicles to tire wear? I don't want to put on new tires until this problem is fixed - but it would be ironic if worn tires was the cause of these problems?
Is there a spec for allowable tire diameter variation?

looking for some insight from experienced techs who have fixed the smart track systems. 1) Is the TCCM looking at encoders in the transfer case?
2) If so are there 2 - one for each drive shaft?
3) Since it seems that the transfer case motor engages and disengages with the fuse pulled. Is it safe to say the problem is elsewhere?
4) since there are no "service AWD" or CEL is is safe to assume that the TCCM "BELIEVES" that the encoderes are working properly?

Where should I look next?

Matt



you need to get it scanned ,get me a code and I'll look it up for you.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:56 PM

you need to get it scanned ,get me a code and I'll look it up for you.
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1) With out any MIL would you expect to find codes?

2) Any comment on the scan tools - I have been waiting for an excuse to get one for personal use, this looks like it. Will the consumer tools give access to all codes that are stored?

Or when you say "get it scanned" do you mean take it to a shop with a tech2 for any or all TCCM drive line have messages?

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 06:52 PM

1) With out any MIL would you expect to find codes?

2) Any comment on the scan tools - I have been waiting for an excuse to get one for personal use, this looks like it. Will the consumer tools give access to all codes that are stored?

Or when you say "get it scanned" do you mean take it to a shop with a tech2 for any or all TCCM drive line have messages?


I answered this already today but it didn't go thru,so jobber scanners should read all codes,I have never used 1,only the tech 2,they are awsome and very expensive @$3000.,I do expect to see a code,may be someone else can chime in here about jobber scanners
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 09:30 PM

I picked up a scan tool. It is surprisingly nice tool (Innova 3130). No DTCs stored!

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:09 PM

give me a miniute
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:14 PM

our service info locked me out here at home for some reason(si changed 2 days ago,not sure if related)so I can't look up your truck,I will post the diag table for 4wd not disengaging tomorrow AM,9AM eastern,7 am my time,well 7:20 actually later
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 09:27 AM

well still locked out ,i'll get it fixed,try tonight
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 10:01 AM

I need your VIN Matt
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 06:51 PM

I need your VIN Matt


1GHDT13WXY2162405

ARGH! -editied to add missing digit

Edited by matt_o_70, 24 February 2008 - 12:46 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2008 - 07:52 PM

VIN is missing a digit,need 17 ,does not compute on GMVIS,lol,
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:19 PM

I'd be interested to know what the VIN report shows?
1GHDT13WXY2162405

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:22 PM

I'm using it to see what t case you have
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:43 PM

here is your warrenty history just because.
CLAIM HISTORY
R.O Date R.O Number Type Labor Operation Odometer Reading
08/15/2005 041417 B D0362 - CONTROL, HEATER AND AIR CONDITIONING - REPLACE 75784 miles
06/07/2002 051429 # V0842 - INSPECT AND REPLACE HAZARD WARNING FLASHER SWITCH 34712 miles
06/07/2002 051429 # E2927 - BALL JOINT, CONTROL ARM - UPPER - BOTH - REPLACE 34712 miles
06/07/2002 051429 # E2937 - BALL JOINT, CONTROL ARM - LOWER - BOTH - REPLACE 34712 miles
01/11/2002 047257 # E7960 - IDLER ARM REPLACEMENT 27204 miles
01/11/2002 047257 # J3177 - LINE AND/OR HOSE, ENGINE OIL COOLER - BOTH - REPLACE 27204 miles
01/11/2002 047257 # E9050 - POWER STEERING PUMP REPLACEMENT 27204 miles
04/03/2001 039171 # J3176 - LINE AND/OR HOSE, ENGINE OIL COOLER - ONE - REPLACE 9701 miles
04/03/2001 039171 # Z5001 - VIP FREIGHT/POSTAGE REIMBURESEMENT 9701 miles
03/26/2001 038884 # K5390 - LINES AND/OR FITTINGS, TRANSMISSION OIL COOLER - UPPER - A 9524 miles
03/26/2001 038884 # Z5001 - VIP FREIGHT/POSTAGE REIMBURESEMENT 9524 miles
03/03/2000 028113 # F1447 - SEALS, FRONT DIFFERENTIAL OUTPUT SHAFT - FRONT - BOTH - RE 7 miles
12/02/1999 025490 # J0966 - ADAPTER AND/OR GASKET, OIL FILTER PIPE - REPLACE 6 miles
12/02/1999 025490 # Z5001 - VIP FREIGHT/POSTAGE REIMBURESEMENT 6 miles
09/27/1999 262405 I Z7000 - PRE-DELIVERY INSPECTION - BASE TIME
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:49 PM

I'm just going to cut and paste some info for you.
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Transfer Case Description
New Venture Gear 136 Automatic Transfer Case




The NV136 transfer case is an automatic transfer case with two drive ranges. Shifting from rear wheel drive to four wheel drive is done automatically when the transfer case shift control module receives wheel rotating slip information from the speed sensors. The transfer case shift control module then engages the transfer case motor/encoder to position the transfer case from rear to four wheel drive. When the transfer case shift control module receives information that the wheel rotation is the same on both axles, the transfer case shift control module sends position information to the motor/encoder to put the transfer case back into rear wheel drive. The 2HI position is for normal driving with the rear wheels pushing the vehicle. The 4 wheel drive position is for driving through sand, snow, mud, gravel, or heavy rain at normal or slightly below normal speeds. The NV136 is manufactured at Syracuse New York by New Venture Gear a division of New Process Gear for General Motors.
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