Foghorn17

From what I'm reading on the Ford forums the plastic oil pans they have been using leak so badly a drain plug really isn't needed. Ford has started using metal pans on their newer trucks because of the issue. The F150 is a nice truck, but every time I think about considering one for my next purchase there's always some issue out there, usually engine related, that gives me pause.

Any dexos gen 2 oil is going to do absolutely great in these trucks. The only thing I've ever seen to compete between truck brand loyalists is motor oil brand loyalists. But in truth your QuakerPennCasMobiValveAmsPurple in 0W-20 flavor will all do about the same thing. In truth if you really want to save some money go to Walmart and buy this: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Full-Synthetic-SAE-0W-20-Motor-Oil-5-Quarts/254038905 Buy a quality filter (Wix has been mentioned) and change more often. For basically the same money, I personally would rather have two oil changes with Supertech in the same mileage timeframe as one with the super high perfomance 20K mile oils.

More G80 hate, huh. Well six GM trucks all with the G80 and not one problem. I'm sure the Fords and Rams with e-lockers work great, but I'm not so sure I would be happy with another electronic/electric motor to do a mechanical job, added failure point in my opinion. Anyway from front crank pulley to rear diff. I don't think anyone can match GM on powertrain durability. Pay attention to old vehicles on the road; at least in my area you will see 3x more GM trucks than FoMoCo or Ram with 15 or more years of service. As said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Well if you want a Chevy you can still do a Laura deal.....just a little further west. https://www.laurachevybg.com/ You are definitely right about one thing, get what you want the first time, otherwise you'll be doing this all over in short order.

Link above didn't seem to be working on my computer, so I posted below. Hope this helps.

It's good enough, but isn't it getting tiring with GM just being "good enough?" Every new generation of truck for the last 20 years they've needed to become class leading, and every time they've managed "good enough." I'm afraid this time it may cost them as FCA is breathing down their necks and they are beating "good enough." Might as well forget about ever being good enough to catch Ford. Disappointing.

No, most of the deals I'm seeing want to make me scream. My 17 Denali is coming off lease in about 9 months and unless the incentives catch on with the GM trucks, I'm going to have to fly the coop with either FoMoCo or FCA to stay in a full size truck and not crush my budget. Deals in my area are not to be had on the new GM's. Hoping as the 18's sell out that GM will put more cash on the hood to move metal.

No offense taken. In general I agree everyone relies on the vehicle dummy lights and just assumes all is ok. Thankful my dad taught me the right way to do it. Of course I grew up in a Ford household, so I definitely needed to keep a close eye....lol.

Pennzoil Platinum is a great oil. I have used Quaker State Ultimate Durability in my 17 GMC. Both Pennzoil and Quaker State are products of SOPUS, Shell Oil Products of US and their offerings are top-notch in my opinion. I am the exception to the too lazy to check oil description. About a little over a year ago I had a high pressure fuel pump failure and it was dumping fuel in the crankcase. I caught it fairly quickly as the oil appeared overfilled and took it in to the dealer. The service manager asked me how I caught it so quickly. My answer astounded him.....I usually check my oil weekly. There are still a few of us old school guys left.

For the Wix guys on here, of which I am one, I'd suggest switching to the newer higher bypass spec'd filter. I've been using NAPA Gold 100255 on the GMC for the last two oil changes. Wix WL10255 NAPA Gold 100255

Good luck with the search. Hope you get a good one with GM.

Nice. Great to see happy owners 100K into their ownership. Maybe Chevy can do one of those "real people" ads about your truck. j/k. In all seriousness great to hear positive durability and performance news. The avg mileage on the DIC for your truck is really good as well-I know you said it did really well on gas.

I agree that for the sticker price of these trucks, especially a Denali ultimate, that we should expect better longevity and build quality. Trouble is that I don't see any manufacturer hitting it out of the park on this. I've driven GM trucks for over 20 years, but am willing to consider other brands. Take a look at FoMoCo boards for the F150. Again it may be internet amplification but seems if Ford has no clue on how to produce an engine that doesn't have issues, rattles, cam phaser issues, oil leaks. Again a look at FCA sites and you'll see rattles, lifter issues, electronic nightmares, etc. Not defending GM at all but don't know who else does any better. I did own a Toyota Tundra a few years back and it was NOT anything impressive in its short babied life at my house. Failed front rotors, failed radio. rust issues on the front bumper, trim that fell off, etc all in 40K of ownership. My current 17 Denali has been ok, but suffered a direct injection pump failure which resulted in fuel being dumped into the crankcase. Doesn't seem to have affected it as it was caught early, but I still wonder about long term effects. My next truck may be any brand; it really seems to be a crap shoot if you get a good one. Best of luck and maybe GM will step up and offer some help on the failure.

And another one

Not too crazy about tailgates, but I like this one better.