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Were you disappointed? I'm looking at new trucks to replace my '14 LML I sold about a month ago. I've found a nice HC Dually loaded up the way I want, but it's a 6.0L gasser. I was dead set on getting another Duramax, but I'm not sure.

 

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I personally would never do that.. I would take an older body style diesel before a newer body style gasser

The gray one sitting next to it is a diesel. It's an LTZ with sunroof, sticker is $59k. I didn't think that was too bad for a nicely equipped diesel, it's probably been there a little while too, since it has the old style tow mirrors. Hmm.

 

I agree if I get the gas job, I'll end up wanting a diesel and having to trade again. I just bought my 5.3 Sierra and I'm really disappointed in it compared to my 6.2. I feel like that's what'll happen here too.

 

I'm keeping an eye on Laura GMC, since they have good deals. I want a DRW though and they don't have any I like.

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I traded in my 12 LML for a 15 6.0

 

Here are my thoughts. I only towed about 4 or 5 times a year (7-10K). They drive almost the same and I was getting about 12-14 with the LML and currently getting 13-14 with the 6.0. Both tow awesome and both ride great. The maintenance cost for the LML was a bit higher with DEF and 2 and half gallons of oil at each change. If I was towing a little more I would have went with a second LML, but in the end I love my new 6.0

 

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Not sure why the dealer ordered that in as a gasser. First High Country dually gasser I have ever seen. It is funny though when you fill up with gas in a one ton dually. At work we have a 2010 F350 dually with the 6.8L V10 and every time I fill up with gas I get people yelling at me to stop saying I'm going to ruin it.

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I traded in my 12 LML for a 15 6.0

 

Here are my thoughts. I only towed about 4 or 5 times a year (7-10K). They drive almost the same and I was getting about 12-14 with the LML and currently getting 13-14 with the 6.0. Both tow awesome and both ride great. The maintenance cost for the LML was a bit higher with DEF and 2 and half gallons of oil at each change. If I was towing a little more I would have went with a second LML, but in the end I love my new 6.0

 

Chris

Thanks for the reply Chris.

 

I'll need to go and drive one to see how it performs. I really like the low end grunt from the diesel, but that $8k difference definitely makes me think.

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Not sure why the dealer ordered that in as a gasser. First High Country dually gasser I have ever seen. It is funny though when you fill up with gas in a one ton dually. At work we have a 2010 F350 dually with the 6.8L V10 and every time I fill up with gas I get people yelling at me to stop saying I'm going to ruin it.

They had a black one too, but must've sold it. I've found a diesel HC for around the same price as this one. Identical too, white, sunroof, nav, 4x4. It's in Idaho though. :sigh:

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Not sure why the dealer ordered that in as a gasser. First High Country dually gasser I have ever seen. It is funny though when you fill up with gas in a one ton dually. At work we have a 2010 F350 dually with the 6.8L V10 and every time I fill up with gas I get people yelling at me to stop saying I'm going to ruin it.

Lol. The people yelling must have accidentally put gas in a diesel or personally seen someone do it lol

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If you are really considering gas do a 24 hour test drive and compare it back to back with your LML. I think in the end you will miss all the low end torque from the diesel.

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Well, depends on the application. Because of the substantially higher cost and increased downtime due to primarily the emissions components and such on the newer diesels, many commercial users are opting for gas, NG, or propane engines in their class 2 and 3 trucks now. I run up and down the highway every day, over a 10 state area, to the tune of 140,000 miles a year, and I have ample exposure to seeing what is going down the road. I see a higher amount of gas engine equipped HD trucks for commercial use than diesel powered, by several margins. Of the diesels I see, very few of them are actually doing anything that a diesel would be called on to do. Most of them have nothing in the box or pulling anything. Yet, large portion of the gas equipped HD trucks have loads in the back, have custom truck boxes with whatever in them, are yanking around trailers, etc. For average daily work, the gassers seem to be the preferred choice. Now, of course, if someone is pulling around heavy loads and trailers on a regular basis, a diesel has its place. If I was pulling around a gooseneck flat bed, livestock wagon, or 5th wheel RV across the country regularly, a diesel would be in order. I just get the distinct feeling that, for many, diesel is a status symbol kind of thing. And highly doubtful it can be justified for a pickup that is primarily a daily commuter. In that case, mpg might be in favor of the diesel, but fuel is also higher priced and maintenance costs are substantially more, so it is doubtful a person would ever "break even" on the expense of a diesel over a gasser.

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Lol. The people yelling must have accidentally put gas in a diesel or personally seen someone do it lol

I think the issue is that everyone assumes F350 or 3500 automatically means diesel engine.

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Did a totally unscientific study this week. In my travels back and forth between Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, and Illinois, I did a general count of 2500/3500's running my direction on the interstate so I could make sure and get a close look. All in all, gas engine 2500/3500's beat out the number of diesels by roughly a 5-3 ratio. Saw several 3500 dually's with gas engine. Most of them though were commercial vehicles. In this little study, I came to the conclusion that while many think that 2500/3500 means towing, many of these vehicles never tow anything but are the platform for construction box bodies and other setups. It is more of an issue of onboard payload than towing. So a gasser fits most of those needs adequately.

 

Of the diesel powered varieties, the commercial trucks were doing something with them, either using gooseneck trailers of different types hauling loads, commercial movement of RV from plants to dealers, etc. But on the obvious personal pickup front, it was real interesting. I drive a semi, so I can get a good look into the box. Very few of the personal pickups had a 5th wheel or gooseneck hitch in them. Nor was there a hitch ball in the back receiver and didn't look like it ever had been used. To be fair, some had tonneau covers that might have hidden a bed hitch. But I only saw one obvious personal pickup that was diesel powered towing anything. A few had stuff in the box, but a 1500 would have hauled that comfortably. Again, the edge in numbers for personal use was gas over diesel just like the commercial users.

 

I still think many folks will get a diesel for more of a status symbol kind of thing than really needing it. And I would like to see the actual numbers from GM on how many gas 2500/3500's are sold compared to diesel. My guess is that gasser sales outpace the diesels by a comfortable margin. But considering that 75% of the 2500/3500 market in commercial users, that would make sense. They get what they need that delivers the lowest cost of operation. And they are not trying to impress anyone that they have a Dmax under the hood. They will get a diesel when they need it, but will avoid it when they can.

 

Same reasoning I went with a 6.0 in my 2015 2500HD. I haul more than would be comfortable to do so with a 1500, but tow very little, and when I do, it is not that heavy. Never will hit gross combination weight rating, but it is realistic I will hit gross vehicle rating several times. Drums of oil, pallets of bags of heavy materials can rack up some impressive weight pretty quickly. I am in that middle area.... I need more than a 1500 can haul, but I don't need a dually 3500. But if I did need the capability of payload capacity that a dually 3500 could haul, I most likely would still go with a gasser for my needs.

 

And resale would be the least of my worries. There will always be a market for a used gas 2500/3500. A smaller construction user with a lower budget for vehicles would jump on a good used gasser 2500 or 3500, yank the box off and put on a flatbed or construction box and put it right to work. Or maybe a seasonal user that wants a second pickup to plow snow or something.

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Did a totally unscientific study this week. In my travels back and forth between Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, and Illinois, I did a general count of 2500/3500's running my direction on the interstate so I could make sure and get a close look. All in all, gas engine 2500/3500's beat out the number of diesels by roughly a 5-3 ratio. Saw several 3500 dually's with gas engine. Most of them though were commercial vehicles. In this little study, I came to the conclusion that while many think that 2500/3500 means towing, many of these vehicles never tow anything but are the platform for construction box bodies and other setups. It is more of an issue of onboard payload than towing. So a gasser fits most of those needs adequately.

 

Of the diesel powered varieties, the commercial trucks were doing something with them, either using gooseneck trailers of different types hauling loads, commercial movement of RV from plants to dealers, etc. But on the obvious personal pickup front, it was real interesting. I drive a semi, so I can get a good look into the box. Very few of the personal pickups had a 5th wheel or gooseneck hitch in them. Nor was there a hitch ball in the back receiver and didn't look like it ever had been used. To be fair, some had tonneau covers that might have hidden a bed hitch. But I only saw one obvious personal pickup that was diesel powered towing anything. A few had stuff in the box, but a 1500 would have hauled that comfortably. Again, the edge in numbers for personal use was gas over diesel just like the commercial users.

 

I still think many folks will get a diesel for more of a status symbol kind of thing than really needing it. And I would like to see the actual numbers from GM on how many gas 2500/3500's are sold compared to diesel. My guess is that gasser sales outpace the diesels by a comfortable margin. But considering that 75% of the 2500/3500 market in commercial users, that would make sense. They get what they need that delivers the lowest cost of operation. And they are not trying to impress anyone that they have a Dmax under the hood. They will get a diesel when they need it, but will avoid it when they can.

 

Same reasoning I went with a 6.0 in my 2015 2500HD. I haul more than would be comfortable to do so with a 1500, but tow very little, and when I do, it is not that heavy. Never will hit gross combination weight rating, but it is realistic I will hit gross vehicle rating several times. Drums of oil, pallets of bags of heavy materials can rack up some impressive weight pretty quickly. I am in that middle area.... I need more than a 1500 can haul, but I don't need a dually 3500. But if I did need the capability of payload capacity that a dually 3500 could haul, I most likely would still go with a gasser for my needs.

 

And resale would be the least of my worries. There will always be a market for a used gas 2500/3500. A smaller construction user with a lower budget for vehicles would jump on a good used gasser 2500 or 3500, yank the box off and put on a flatbed or construction box and put it right to work. Or maybe a seasonal user that wants a second pickup to plow snow or something.

 

Very well put, I had a 04 LLY Diesel that I used towing boats but after I stopped towing I just couldn't justify keeping a Diesel just to run around in so I got rid of it and went back to the 6.0. The question is do I regret it? No I don't.

 

I think 80% of the people who have Diesels don't have a use for them and have them just for the status symbol.

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