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Oh stop crying about it.  It still gets better fuel economy than Dodge, Crapota, Nissan, and probably Ford. 

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Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

 

Maybe GM tuned these trucks so that the transmission doesn’t lug the engine constantly in normal city driving. Maybe the DFM isn’t as aggressive as AFM. 

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1 MPG in the city is a nice improvement. And, who knows, maybe the big improvement in fuel economy comes with hauling and towing.

With the AFM and towing it would stay in V8 mode all the time. But with the DFM the engine might be able to run on 6 cylinder on flat roads w/o much headwind. That's where my gain would be since I'm using my truck for what it is.

 

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I have driven trucks for so long that MPG just doesn't matter to me anymore.

I'm more concerned with reliability.

If you get stranded in the winter and your freezing I doubt MPG is an issue.

Or sitting in the heat sweating and cursing, MPG is the farthest thing from your mind.

 

i want mechanical, electric and computer reliability.

Buying gas, replacing worn parts, changing fluids and tires is easy.

Heavy wrenching is what I want to avoid!!

Anything more than a water pump, starter and brakes is heavy wrenching to me.

 

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What this tells me, if these numbers are true, is that GM isn't trying to stay competitive. Just like when they rehashed the HP/TQ numbers for the 4.3/5.3/6.2, people were annoyed by that as I am. There are some on the forum that state that that is just a number which is true to an extent but when the competition offer more powerful options with similar or better gearing in both the transmission and rear end, that makes me think that GM thinks of their customer base merely as sheep that will continue to throw money at them. One of the reasons I choose my Chevy over the Ford  is because I could not find an F-150 at the time with the V8 and I deemed the Ecoboost as too new to the market so I settled on the 5.3 Ecotec (wanted the 6.2). At the very least, drop the 6 speed for the 8 speed/4.3 and offer the 10 speed for as an option for the 5.3 and 2.7 along with a power bump for the motors that have been out for four years now to be more on par with the competition. Ford uses the same 10 speed with all of their engines with the exception of their base V6 as standard. Hopefully GM will be more competitive with the redesign of the midsize twins to combat the new Ranger. I know I am fairly new to the forums so I will state that I am not brand loyal so details like this all factor into my decision when I purchase a vehicle. If GM improved the drivability to the point of making its competition seem like a bunch of slugs, it'll be easier to ignore some of the details as that is the single, largest complaint on my 2014 Silverado.

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6 hours ago, Wayne3593 said:

What this tells me, if these numbers are true, is that GM isn't trying to stay competitive. Just like when they rehashed the HP/TQ numbers for the 4.3/5.3/6.2, people were annoyed by that as I am. There are some on the forum that state that that is just a number which is true to an extent but when the competition offer more powerful options with similar or better gearing in both the transmission and rear end, that makes me think that GM thinks of their customer base merely as sheep that will continue to throw money at them. One of the reasons I choose my Chevy over the Ford  is because I could not find an F-150 at the time with the V8 and I deemed the Ecoboost as too new to the market so I settled on the 5.3 Ecotec (wanted the 6.2). At the very least, drop the 6 speed for the 8 speed/4.3 and offer the 10 speed for as an option for the 5.3 and 2.7 along with a power bump for the motors that have been out for four years now to be more on par with the competition. Ford uses the same 10 speed with all of their engines with the exception of their base V6 as standard. Hopefully GM will be more competitive with the redesign of the midsize twins to combat the new Ranger. I know I am fairly new to the forums so I will state that I am not brand loyal so details like this all factor into my decision when I purchase a vehicle. If GM improved the drivability to the point of making its competition seem like a bunch of slugs, it'll be easier to ignore some of the details as that is the single, largest complaint on my 2014 Silverado.

I'm sure GM is looking at the marketing aspect to a point.  Those of us that look at HP/Torq, gearing and such are the minority.  The majority of the public out there purchase the truck because they just want a truck and they like the color and use it as a daily driver.  I know a bunch of individuals that have Denali CCSB's that love the truck and don't use it for anything other than daily use and groceries.  I see a ton of the pearl white, which is a nice expensive color choice but they don't care, they just like it and will pay to get it.  This is the individual that purchase the majority of the pickups on the road.  Brand loyalty and what is under the hood takes second fiddle. The bean counters at GM see this.

 

We can talk all about wanting more HP/Torq, better transmissions, "a Rapter killer" but in the end our little slice of truck purchases dosen't matter.  If it did, GM would be listening to the chatter on here and other GM forums and follow what we the minority want. That just isn't the money maker to them.

 

Just like trucks with short beds. What good are they?  I use my truck as a truck and need the 6.5' truck bed. I know of a bunch of individuals that would love to have a CC with an 8' bed but that isn't going to happen because again, we are the minority.  Ever try to get a bobcat bucket of mulch dumped into a short bed?  Yeah, half of it will be dumped on the ground because the bobcat bucket is 6', at least the places that I go to, to get mulch, gravel, sand are.

 

It also doesn't help us that the building industry finds it fit to build housing with small garages that you can't fit a full size pickup in.  If you even try the bumper is touching the front wall and the rear bumper is an inch away from the door when it closes and so you can't even get out of the truck to get into the house.

 

We can keep complaining until the cows come home but in the end it is all just a waste of breath and high blood pressure.

 

Kind of off topic but if GM did care they would be on here trying to help those with truck issues like us with a MyLink system that doesn't work as advertised since new but nothing seems to be getting done about it and it is going on 2 years.  MyLink has been out since what? 2013?  How long does it take to fix a "software" issue? They were kind enough to extend our warranty for the MyLink system only, to 2023 and 120k miles.  What good is that?  It tells me that they are not really working the problem, just putting a band aid on it to make us feel good. Extending the warranty doesn't fix the problem. The dealers hands are tied and it took us writing a "snail mail" letter to Corp GM to get any feedback.  I say pull a system out of another Suburban on the lot and put in mine and fix it. Make me a happy customer. Then just let the new but unusable MyLink Suburban sit on the lot until a fix comes available.  It would never happen but then why worry if a current customer is happy with their purchase or not, they already purchased the vehicle.

 

OK I got off on a rant, sorry guys!

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18 hours ago, diyer2 said:

I have driven trucks for so long that MPG just doesn't matter to me anymore.

I'm more concerned with reliability.

If you get stranded in the winter and your freezing I doubt MPG is an issue.

Or sitting in the heat sweating and cursing, MPG is the farthest thing from your mind.

 

i want mechanical, electric and computer reliability.

Buying gas, replacing worn parts, changing fluids and tires is easy.

Heavy wrenching is what I want to avoid!!

Anything more than a water pump, starter and brakes is heavy wrenching to me.

 

:)

 

You bring up some good points, the reliability is a huge factor. I do care about fuel economy just because I drive so much, BUT when the situations occur that you mentioned?? Yeah fuel economy is the last thing on my mind. 

 

I guess thats what I like about commuting in a truck now - before I had a big sedan I commuted in - it was nice, it had power and it was comfy, but I always had a truck on the side to do the other things. Now I'm all truck, got rid of the sedan, but I expect the truck to act like a commuter, yet still be 100% truck when I need it. That's where I think GM hit the sweet spot. I seriously get 26 mpg with conservative commuting (right around what I was getting with my car), yet I also can haul stuff, throw stuff in the back, not have to worry when there's a foot of snow out there. But I don't want something that isn't reliable. I don't have a lot of patience for that stuff. We'll see how it goes with my 2018 

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On 6/29/2018 at 11:39 AM, Doublebase said:

With the new system the activation of the system is what's supposed to be "improved", only because of it's new delivery/activation. It's ability to make it less noticeable and smooth. I don't think they intended or expected to get improvement in overall fuel economy. In talking with dealers - not that I trust them - they say the problem isn't reliability, it's people complaining about activation and how harsh it is when they're towing. I personal,y don't notice it 90% of the time in my 2018. Then again I'm only at 7,500 miles.

 

Agree 100%.  The improvements on paper are negligable.  But I think they’re end game was to improve the driving experience with their fuel management system, make it seem less invasive, smoother, and less noticeable while driving.

 

Only time will tell if that has been accomplished.

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On 6/29/2018 at 1:26 PM, Willborio said:

I have an 18 with the 6.2 and the 8 sp. In averaging about 22 mpg per tank. I think even the EPA estimates are a little low. Just took a 200 mile trip and my best 50 mile was 26mpg. I live in illinois so it's mostly flat roads

Agreed.  I was a little worried the 6.2 was going to get even less than I got with the 5.7 Hemi in the Grand Cherokee, but in actual driving, it does even better!  I've only calculated actual gas usage compared to miles with calculator once vs what the DIC says, and on that the DIC showed 4 tenths higher than what my math says.  I don't know how accurate the gas pump is in terms of what it says I put in the tank either, so I will consider it a wash.  I'll do it again as I get more miles on the truck to see how things compare.

 

On the trip home with the truck (2 hours across Ohio and Pennsylvania, some hills, some stop and go traffic here and there) The DIC showed 26.6 average.  Highest I ever got with the Jeep was 23.2 MPG.  I'm also curious how the truck is going to do with the race boat in tow.  On the Jeep, on highway I would get around 15.8 to 16.2ish.  I'll find out in August when I head to the next race.

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I’ve been noticing like in the last year lots of people claiming mileage with the 6.2 that is better then the 5.3 and at times the 4.3. Funny thing is the EPA, Car and Driver, Motor Week, can’t match it. Wonder Why?


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38 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I’ve been noticing like in the last year lots of people claiming mileage with the 6.2 that is better then the 5.3 and at times the 4.3. Funny thing is the EPA, Car and Driver, Motor Week, can’t match it. Wonder Why?


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I couldn't tell you. But since I run premium I'm glad to see the higher mpg. Lol I do most of my driving at 60mph I live in a small town and drive to go anywhere. But little stop and go traffic. My last 2 400 mpg averages are at 21. Either i get lucky and always drive with the wind at my back or the EPA estimate is lower than real world averages. 

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I couldn't tell you. But since I run premium I'm glad to see the higher mpg. Lol I do most of my driving at 60mph I live in a small town and drive to go anywhere. But little stop and go traffic. My last 2 400 mpg averages are at 21. Either i get lucky and always drive with the wind at my back or the EPA estimate is lower than real world averages. 

They probably have to drive 70 MPH for the HWY mileage, so 60 would do better.


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42 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I’ve been noticing like in the last year lots of people claiming mileage with the 6.2 that is better then the 5.3 and at times the 4.3. Funny thing is the EPA, Car and Driver, Motor Week, can’t match it. Wonder Why?


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I traded my 18 slt with the 5.3 it had 3.42 gears and averaged 18. My 18 denali with 3.23 gears is definatly getting 2.5 to 3 mpg better 

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They probably have to drive 70 MPH for the HWY mileage, so 60 would do better.


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Agreed but my 26 was going to Chicago on i80 and i55. I never see less than 20 driving 70. Unless I'm on a hill or driving into the wind. My drive to work every day has 4 miles at 75 and 15 miles at 60. 

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Yeah, my 2 hour mostly highway drive from Ohio to Pennsylvania at 73 to 74MPH, in variable rain and wind, showed 26.6 on the DIC. 

 

My daily work drive is 19 miles one way on a variable 40 to 55 MPH road with minimal hills and 2 longish hills (about mile long each) through two small towns (i.e. several red lights).  Each direction down one big hill and up the other.  I'm averaging between 19.5 and about 20.2 (it does better going to work than coming home because of the variances with the hills).  

 

I also know this:  With the Grand Cherokee I would put $35 of 87 octane in it on Monday morning and come Friday, I had to stop  and gas up again on the way home (which varied depending on any other driving after work as well).  With the truck, I'm putting in $40 of 93 octane (0.60 cents more per gallon) on Monday (when the gas gauge is at about the same level) and I go all week to work and through the weekend with extra driving and don't need gas again until Monday.  This jibes with the better mileage I'm seeing on the DIC than I got with the 5.7 Hemi in the Jeep.  Both vehicles are very close in terms of empty weight.

 

To be fair, I turned off eco mode in the Jeep (disables the AFM/DFM) as it shuddered too much, but is completely unnoticeable on the truck (which makes me happy), but in combined driving, the Jeep only switched into v4 mode on the flat 55 MPH section of road, if at all, the truck does it frequently and seamlessly.  I'm sure that helps, but I don't think it accounts totally for the much better mileage.

 

I haven't done any reading of EPA or car and driver reviews of the 6.2 mileage, so if they can't match what people are experiencing, I have no idea why.  I'll be honest, I was excited the truck I found had the 6.2 and is one of the main reasons I was willing to forego the midnight edition full black out that I originally wanted (couldn't find any on lots with the 6.2).  Also, I didn't read some of the fine details (and the dealership never mentioned) the 6.2 needs premium fuel.  I only discovered that after buying it. I was a little worried at first, but after driving it, I'm good with that.  So far on my normal driving routine I'm not really spending much, if any,  more on gas than I was on the Jeep, so all is well.  I did try half a tank of 87 in it (because the book doesn't state the 6.2 REQUIRES high octane, it just says RECOMMENDED and to watch for signs of detonation on lower rated fuel), and I didn't notice any difference at all on a work week drive, but since it is doing so well, I'm just going to keep putting premium in it.  I am absolutely thrilled with it at this point.

 

Most of my long distance drives at this point will be pulling my small race boat trailer (I race in APBA sanctioned stock and modified outboard category racing).  The boat hull is about 125lbs, the engine is 92lbs.  It's a small single axle trailer with an engine box on the rear (see attached pic) and some assorted other gear (tools, gas, etc), so it's not heavy, but that big box on the back is a major wind drag at 70MPH.  The Jeep got between 15.5 and 16.2 MPG pulling the trailer.  My next race is mid August, so we'll see how the truck does with that.

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