Hello all! First post here! What brought me here was the 8l90 torque converter lockup shudder issue. Most times I'd just take this truck to the dealer and let them sort it out, but as it's out of warranty, this is not something I'd like to pay >$600 to repair (this price was quoted to me for the flush and filter change). After talking to a few service advisors I've found that each of them planned on using a different solution to attempt to alleviate the shudder. The first was going to proceed via one of the bulletins and do a triple fluid swap and filter change, the others were just going to do a standard flush and fluid swap. I plan on owning this vehicle for another few months until the 19's become a little more negotiable but cannot stand to let this shudder go on that long and am a bit worried about destroying the torque converter in the process and washing a whole bunch of parts down into the transmission. So.... my question is if anyone has performed this fluid swap themselves, if it alleviated the issue, and if the filter change is necessary? I saw that many of the Corvette guys were swapping to the Mobil 1 fluid with some success, however, I didn't think this was as much of a fluid performance issue as it was a suspended clutch material / dirty fluid issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!
Well, seeing as how I can't find much on this subject no matter what forum I go to, why not try to start the discussion here and see what kind of following I can get and see where we end up.
If you're reading this thread, chances are you have thought about modifying or swapping out your current transmission in your 2014+ GM truck. In my case, I don't mind my 6L80 in my truck. It does fine for what I do right now and it's holding up just fine, but I think the big issue is when you start to search for big power (like I'm starting to do), that 6L80 is not going to hold very much (or so we think). Now, let's all face it. We've seen posts after posts, comments after comments, photos, videos, etc. of guys with built motors with turbos or prochargers shooting down the quarter mile in search for the best time on these 6L80s. Some say they're completely stock, others have them built, and we all ask ourselves the same question: Reliability. How well are these transmissions going to hold up to the abuse on the track? Especially if you want to make it a fast street/strip truck and drive it back home to the garage afterwords.
We know for a fact that 6L90s can hold quite a bit of power. Even though I've mostly seen it in Camaro ZL1 applications, there is a guy on YouTube (GuitarmaggedonZL1) who is running a stock 6L90 on stock converter making 1000HP (give or take on an unloaded dyno) and the transmission hasn't puked all over the ground just yet. (Exaggeration, I know.) So, needless to say, a 6L90 swap sounds nice, at first... After you figure the extra length and weight (and in my case, relocation of the transfer case and getting custom driveshafts made), it starts to look a bit unpromising, but still not out of the ball park yet since it will be able to handle the power some are seeking, but where these newer transmissions lack significantly if you want to do boosted applications at the track (or even just launch control on N/A), no one has developed a transbrake. Very, very few forums are talking about this, and only one video exists of a guy in his BMW testing out a transbrake on a 6L80/6L90, and who knows how reliable it is.
So, now, you start to think: Well, gee. What can I do now? How about a TH400 or 4L80e swap?
So far, I've seen few posts on that as well. No one is talking about it, and I think the biggest problem people seem to be facing is the new PCM: E92. Also possibly the fact that the TCM on the newer transmissions is inside the transmission and whatnot, but whether that plays a part in this, I don't know yet. Now, adapting a TH400 or 4L80e can be done (most likely with a different bellhousing since the bolt holes are in a slightly different spot), but you run into the issue of getting it to speak/cooperate/communicate with the new E92, which I don't think anyone has tried. The only video I've seen of anything working in this application was on a 1320Videos video with a Nova where they were using an LT4 long block (built motor to 388 C.I.) and twin turbos, and it had a powerglide in it. Don't know if it was a manual valve body or computer-controlled, but what I do know is that they used the factory computer to run the DI injection system and piggybacked the rest to an MS3 Pro. After dealing with some issues, they were able to make that thing boogy to a 9 second pass at 148mph. So, these engines have potential to haul ass, but we just haven't figured out how to crack the system.
So, at this point, I'll just leave what I've discussed here and see where the thread goes from here, and I'm hoping people chime in and vendors are watching/listening. Even though the demand isn't hot for it right now, there's going to be a surge for good transmissions when people can buy these trucks/cars/motors/transmissions for pennies on the dollar. Unfortunately, I feel like we'll have to wait that long in order to see results, but oh well.
Just to give you guys an example: In the next year or two (2019 or 2020), I'd like to go turbo with my truck. (Doing all the supporting mods before going there minus built bottom end until I see where I can get with stock bottom end before sending a rod through the block or oil pan) Ideally, it'd be best to have a transbrake in that application with 2-step, but can't do it on the new transmissions. So, 4L80 seems to be the option, but I can't do that either because no one supports adapters or harnesses to make them work with the new motors/ECUs. That's the boat I'm in. I like to research everything before I go whole hog into something. Risk assessment, I guess.
Long time reader and first time poster. I recently started to have vibration issues with my 2015 Yukon Denali. It started after the last scheduled oil change and tire rotation. I noticed the vehicle vibrating quite often. I started paying more attention to it and realized there was a shudder in-between gears that became worse as the transmission warmed up.
Took it to the dealer I purchased it at and it was a bit of a fiasco because they were backlogged and ended up taking it to another dealer who performed 2810175 (updated TCM with latest calibration and relearn). They handed me the vehicle and said all fixed. Took the vehicle home and it seemed to be ok but started noticing the shudder again.
One question is after this, is it expected that there should be a relearn time for X miles while its relearning the shift adapts/pressures? Is there an estimated number of miles for this? It seems to shudder less often but when it does it seems worse than before. I've only driven it about 60 miles since the recalibration.
I'm fully aware of PIP5337 and asked them about this but they said the TCC was not bad. The vehicle was purchased June of 2015 so its definitely manufactured before November of 2015 which PIP5337D mentions.
As I drive it more and more, I feel less of a transmission shudder but more road vibration than I felt in the loaner 2016 Yukon SLT or my wife's Kia Soul. I'm wondering if its possible they rebalanced improperly. The road vibration seems to be at lower speeds. At higher speeds it is better but may just be the quality of the roads I am driving on at lower speeds.
I do notice the TAC jumps about 100 rpm during most shifts and not sure if this is normal. It seems to do this when the TCC speed should be 0 (around 2000PM) shifts. I realize it would not be fully locked under 1600RPM.
At this point, I am not really sure if I am just paying too much attention to every bump on the road or if there is an actual issue. Are there any objective ways to determine if there is an actual issue and express that in a way that will not completely annoy the dealer?
I have already had to pull this vehicle from one dealer because they were so backlogged it would have been in the lot sitting for repair for 23 days. With that said, they planned on doing a tear down on it to inspect and thought it was the TCC.
Any help or guidance is much appreciated. Thanks!
By Hootie Hoo
2015 Sierra Denali 6.2L 8 speed.
Increasing vibrations with shifting between 1 and 2k RPMs. Also, RPM fluctuations with the shudders.
Take it in and find that it is a known issue with the "Internal Torque Converter". I also find out that there is no revision or part currently available to address or fix the issue. Current service transmission assemblies do not include any fix or improvement for this issue.
There is no estimate as to when any fix will be available, and the service guy tells me that he was told by the guy at GM that it "shouldn't" cause any permanent damage, and that I should check back periodically to see if the fix is available.
Does all of this sound like a load of Garbage and BS to anyone but me?
I'm driving a "new" $60K rattle trap around with no estimate of when it will be fixed.
Anybody with insight? Any idea what my legal options are? How should this be addressed?
By Zane Merva & Josh Merva
Last night we had our first opportunity to drive a 2015 GMC Sierra Denali and Yukon Denali equipped with GM’s new Hydra-Matic 8L90 8-speed automatic. In August we drove a 2015 Chevrolet Corvette with the 8-speed but this was our first chance to try the transmission in a K2XX application.
As many truck and SUV owners know, the performance of the transmission is a big part in how confident you feel behind the wheel. While only a single part in a complex powertrain, the transmission is the glue that links an engine to the road. When the transmission hesitates, the entire vehicle’s performance suffers. A great vehicle needs an equally great transmission.
After only a few minutes behind the wheel it became obvious that shifts are quicker and smoother than the past generation 6-speed. Having two more gears allows the engine to stay in the sweet spot of the RPM range more often. Tip into the throttle and with no drama the 8L90 quickly snaps to the right gear.
However, the most noticeable change is how well shifts are managed by the faster next generation transmission controller. Dependable and crisp transmission performance is a benefit in any situation. A slight bump in fuel economy is the icing on the cake, allowing for a +1mpg bump in fuel economy.
Under full throttle we found gear changes effortless, quick, and solid. Under light throttle we could barely notice the vehicle had shifted at all. Where the past generation 6-speed sometimes gets confused or doesn't shift as cleanly as we’d like, the new 8-speed was always seemed on point.
Unfortunately, we're slightly surprised to see that manual shifting with the 8-speed hasn't changed. Commands to select a specific gear using the shifter stalk are still only a suggestion, with the transmission controller having a final say. In our short test, shift requests sometimes took seconds if the truck didn't agree with the gear we requested.
We drove an 8L90 equipped 2015 Sierra Denali and Yukon Denali on urban streets during rush hour. We did not get an opportunity to measure fuel economy.
While only available with the 420-horsepower 6.2L EcoTec V8 during model-year 2015, expect this 8-speed to be available in the rest of the full-size truck and SUV line in the near future.
When we have an extended amount of time with another 8-speed truck we will report back with fuel economy figures and more driving impressions.
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