Grumpy Bear's All-Encompassing 2019/2020 GM Truck Hatred Thread

[econometrics]

Biggest issue for me with the T1 space is not the generous leg room, but the lack of telescopic range of the steering wheel. I feel I have to reach further to the wheel on my T1 than I did in the same seat/pedal position on my GMT900. I hope they give us a few more inches of telescopic travel on the steering wheel in the 2022s. 

[AlaskaErik]

2 minutes ago, econometrics said:

Biggest issue for me with the T1 space is not the generous leg room, but the lack of telescopic range of the steering wheel. I feel I have to reach further to the wheel on my T1 than I did in the same seat/pedal position on my GMT900. I hope they give us a few more inches of telescopic travel on the steering wheel in the 2022s. 

I have noticed that too.  But that's because we got more legroom without the benefit of more steering wheel extension.  I have long arms, so it's not a problem for me.  But I definitely notice the difference.

[Boardmember]

Hey gang.   I’ve not been here in a year or so because I sold my ‘18 Sierra SLT due to a forced daily commute that had me driving >150 miles, not all on the highway.   

 

But every now and then I come back.   And to great satisfaction I find a 7-page discussion involving one of my favorites, the Grump.  Y’all don’t miss this about GB:  he’s a damn sight smarter than just about every one of us.   You’re giving him exactly what he wants.  And I’m completely enjoying the read.  

 

Thanks guys.

[Grumpy Bear]

57 minutes ago, Boardmember said:

Hey gang.   I’ve not been here in a year or so because I sold my ‘18 Sierra SLT due to a forced daily commute that had me driving >150 miles, not all on the highway.   

 

But every now and then I come back.   And to great satisfaction I find a 7-page discussion involving one of my favorites, the Grump.  Y’all don’t miss this about GB:  he’s a damn sight smarter than just about every one of us.   You’re giving him exactly what he wants.  And I’m completely enjoying the read.  

 

Thanks guys.

A wink isn't a choice on the bar so  Glad to see ya back Mike!! 

Thanks for the props. 

[Grumpy Bear]

On 8/24/2020 at 9:49 PM, econometrics said:

Well, at least it will be easy to wrap your burly, hairy bear arms around her dainty little power plant of a heart. 

4.3 Ecotec3 on E-85             297 hp @ 5,300 rpm / 330 lb/ft @ 3,900 rpm

2.7 Turbo I4 on premium     310 hp @ 5,600 rpm / 348 lb/ft @ 1,500-4000 rpm

 

 

4.3 Ecotec3 on E-10 87       18/24 City / Highway 2015

2.7 Turbo I4 on premium     20/23

4.3 Ecotec3 on 87                 22/28 Pepper life time

 

That is allot of complexity for energy numbers that only matter at WOT to get an advertised EPA increase in town at a 40-50% increase in fuel cost per mile. Is it worth it? You decide. I'm not moving. 

 

This is what happens when you cherry pick one number to support a claim of "BETTER". 

 

Okay can we all zip our pants up? 

[econometrics]

24 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

4.3 Ecotec3 on E-85             297 hp @ 5,300 rpm / 330 lb/ft @ 3,900 rpm

2.7 Turbo I4 on premium     310 hp @ 5,600 rpm / 348 lb/ft @ 1,500-4000 rpm

 

 

4.3 Ecotec3 on E-10 87       18/24 City / Highway 2015

2.7 Turbo I4 on premium     20/23

4.3 Ecotec3 on 87                 22/28 Pepper life time

 

That is allot of complexity for energy numbers that only matter at WOT to get an advertised EPA increase in town at a 40-50% increase in fuel cost per mile. Is it worth it? You decide. I'm not moving. 

 

This is what happens when you cherry pick one number to support a claim of "BETTER". 

 

Okay can we all zip our pants up? 

Well, I have the 5.3L. I'm glad you enjoy your V6. Personally, it's not as much about power for me as it is about my truck not sounding like a leaf blower when I mash on the right pedal. To each their own, and I have no disrespect for your choice to live with a V6 in your truck. 

[econometrics]

26 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Okay can we all zip our pants up? 

...and what if I'm wearing Zubaz?! 

[BowtieSquatch]

22 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

Ok, boomer.

I wish..  Gen X to be exact.  

[mafd2]

1 hour ago, econometrics said:

Well, I have the 5.3L. I'm glad you enjoy your V6. Personally, it's not as much about power for me as it is about my truck not sounding like a leaf blower when I mash on the right pedal. To each their own, and I have no disrespect for your choice to live with a V6 in your truck. 

From my first new truck a 1985 Silverado at 21 was a 305 V8. Had many new GM trucks and were always V8's. I can't stand a V6. My opinion. And when you get on it, it sounds more like a crop duster on steroids than a leaf blower. Just an awful sound. 2 stroke leaf blowers (all 2 strokes) sound cool to me. I love my 2 stroke motorcycles

[TNTSilverado]

The 4.3L belongs in the Colorado and Canyons.  I’ve said it for years. That’s the motor that truck deserves. Then the ZR2 needs the 5.3l as an option. Thing would be a complete beast with it in it.  
GM needs to step up there game with some performance trucks. Street and off-road worthy

[Grumpy Bear]

56 minutes ago, econometrics said:

Well, I have the 5.3L. I'm glad you enjoy your V6. Personally, it's not as much about power for me as it is about my truck not sounding like a leaf blower when I mash on the right pedal. To each their own, and I have no disrespect for your choice to live with a V6 in your truck. 

Sounding like a Porsche is just awful.

 

Leaf blower, pashaw.

Even on the matt it is barely audible. 

 

If this was 1954 and the 4.3 liter six was the GM Blue Flame Six in the Corvette at just over 100 hp I'd be looking for more motor. But as it is capable of over 300 hp in current tune.......

Ya all minds are stuck in the 50's.

 

Isn't that Cadillac that is quicker than a Vette a V6 with a hair drier?

 

 

A 5.3 RCSB was a pretty rare bird and extinct now. 

That would interest me for about a week. 

Then not being able to pass a gas station would get old.

 

5 minutes ago, TNTSilverado said:

The 4.3L belongs in the Colorado and Canyons.  I’ve said it for years. That’s the motor that truck deserves. Then the ZR2 needs the 5.3l as an option. Thing would be a complete beast with it in it.  
GM needs to step up there game with some performance trucks. Street and off-road worthy

Oh baby baby. A 4.3 in a Colorado? 13 second quarters and 40 mpg. 

I second that!!

 

Yea, GM needs a......

 

But it would have to be a RCSB  

[f8l vnm]

6 minutes ago, TNTSilverado said:

. Then the ZR2 needs the 5.3l as an option. 

Totally agree with you on this one. GM could have charged another 5k if the ZR2 came with at least a 5.3 option along with the 3.6 

Any maybe spruced up the interior a little more. 

 

[f8l vnm]

2 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Sounding like a Porsche is just awful.

 

 

hahaha cmon now Grumps! Your car sounds like a porsche now ? I mean it has the performance of a GT2RS so i guess your right

[econometrics]

3 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Sounding like a Porsche is just awful.

Lol we just made the conceptual jump from a 4.3L GM V6 to a Porche, and still expected it to be a relevant example of my distaste for a V6 sound? C'mon, Grumps... you're more intellectually honest than this. 

[Grumpy Bear]

1 minute ago, f8l vnm said:

hahaha cmon now Grumps! Your car sounds like a porsche now ? I mean it has the performance of a GT2RS so i guess your right

Just making a point and the point was made.

 

2 minutes ago, econometrics said:

Lol we just made the conceptual jump from a 4.3L GM V6 to a Porche, and still expected it to be a relevant example of my distaste for a V6 sound? C'mon, Grumps... you're more intellectually honest than this. 

What is dishonest (and pointless) is defining a motors usefulness by it sound.

A sound that in stock trim is nonexistent. The heater motor makes more NOISE. 

Equally dishonest is a comparison to a leaf blower.

Dishonest conceptual jump?

I was second in that boat.

Right? 

 

You guys really want to argue opinions?

 

Okay I will stipulate you HATE the sound and hate it so much you are willing spend large sums of $$$ to avoid it.

We good now?