Timmah

You seriously sound mental, and you definitely do not understand how the data is collected, where it comes from, or even how statistics work. Yes, Lexus and it’s parent company Toyota are a superior brand to any American company when it comes to reliability. There is literally nothing you can say or show to prove otherwise. What exactly is your stance here that you’re trying to assert? That JD power, CR, and all the other entities that rate the performance of manufacturers are wrong? Or do you just feel bad because someone told you the truth about the brand you bought from? Or are you just looking to argue?

I’ll edit it as much as I see fit. Because I’m not changing any claims. I’m changing minor grammar or choice of words. My claims haven’t changed from the first post to now. Are you retarded? Do you not understand how that works? Or are you going to continue to make up your own rules on things like post count, editing, and so forth? There is no battle here. And no real argument. You’re just wrong.

Finding complaints doesn’t disprove anything. You keep missing the “large numbers” and “data driven” aspect. Anecdotal items aren't reliable when making broad claims. The large-number data doesn’t support your opinion. Sorry. EDIT: I edit because I think of something else or because I feel like rewording it, or perhaps to fix a grammatical error. But by all means...continue to think like a child.

Yes I know that those are Korean. The comma separates them. im not torqued up. I actually came here doing research, for a prospective purchase (because I actually like the truck I’m thinking about purchasing). But in the pre-purchase due diligence I’m finding all sorts of ******, as I anticipated. I responded originally because so many people are literally “ok” and try to make excuses with the poor quality levels. And it shouldn’t be ok. GM and Ford aren’t going to change if people keep buying shoddy products. And the fact is...the Japanese vehicles are far and away better in that component. And no...there’s no conspiracy with consumer reports or any other outlet that is literally getting its data from actual owners. It’s not a communist plot just because people can’t stand the fact that American vehicles tend to not be as reliable.

Why exactly are you so caught up on consumer reports? Did I say that was the only outlet I’m reading? Show me a *single* piece of data that shows Chevy/GMC/Ford to be anywhere close to the reliability of a Toyota or Lexus on the whole. You won’t find it. Hell...scroll through your own owners group sites...consumer complaint sites...talk to people that own them...I’m not making this up. This is coming from actual people who own the vehicles. I just took a look at a social media owners group, and within 2 entries, I find a thread with several owners chiming in about constant and consistent complaints at how the back window is constantly leaking...and how dealers are just putting a bit of silicone on it after it destroys the headliner and carpet. That’s in addition to all the actually life threatening issues with the brakes from 2020+ and other items, sensors going out after 100 miles, transmissions being replaced a couple times before 100k, engines making odd noises right after purchase, and a host of other things whereby the actual owners are complaining over and again. You know what I find on user forums over and over for Tundras? “Will a 35” tire fit?” Because the actual owners aren’t constantly taking in their vehicles for issues that shouldn’t be happening.

Would you rather me add back in calling you a tw@t? I mean I can put it back in there if you like. It wouldn’t be incorrect. I just decided it wasn’t necessary. But I’m rethinking that now. I haven’t boasted about myself, nor have I said anything about being smarter than a anyone else, including you. That’s all you and your mental fragility. What I have said...which you can re-read if you like...is that the data doesn’t agree with you. And it’s not MY data...it’s yours and everyone else’s who chooses to look at it. P.S. it’s still not normal for a modern day engine to consume oil and have it be considered “within tolerance”.

I’d say the same to you. Putting your head in the sand and pretending everyone else is wrong when literally every piece of data supports it probably isn’t the best way to go about life, but if that makes you happy do your thing.

I’m not making excuses for Japanese vehicles...I don’t need to. But since you want to talk about those specific things over and again...the frame issue, was due to the steel provider. And they switched their source for steel, and now there’s no more issues. (They didn’t manufacture the steel). And yes...it was an abnormality. Not a commonality that continues to never be resolved...as it is with the nagging same issues with American trucks that have failing engine, transmissions, braking, and so forth over and over again. Same goes for the gas pedal issue. Were talking about defects per 100, engineering, design, fit, finish, durability...and etc...on the whole...large data. And it’s not just consumer reports...it’s ANY automotive outlet that confirms this. But I suppose they’re *all* wrong...and you’re right?

If you believe your opinion is more accurate than consumer-sourced large data statistics you shouldn’t be talking at all. You’re the guy who disagrees with scientific research because it goes against your confirmation bias. Look...I’m sorry if you can handle facts...that are confirmed with actual data. If your emotional fragility is being tested...and you can’t handle it...maybe...go buy a reliable truck?

Except that virtually every consumer report outlet says otherwise. And my post count has nothing to do with you being incorrect about it. Here is the piece your missing: You make excuses for American trucks having substandard QA. Treating it like a “norm”. For the Toyota, issues are an abnormality. Why? Because they actually attempt to build quality vehicles and focus on QA. They’re not perfect by any means, but it’s abnormal to hear about any issues before high mileage is achieved, and even then their trucks are hitting extremely high mileage on the original major components...engine and tranny and etc. If you had a Japanese engine that burned oil, it’s a flaw, not part of the design and definitely not “acceptable” or “within tolerance”. There’s a reason why Tundras rate so much higher than all the American trucks. Acceptance is the first step to getting help. The only real problem they have...is that they’re not up to date on tech. That’s literally it...and it’s why people are still buying GM, Ford, and Ram light duty trucks.

It’s funny...the only people who say that all cars are junk are American car loyalists who have some uncommon anecdotal story about a Japanese vehicle that all of a sudden falls apart. Here is the thing...with Japanese style manufactured vehicles like Lexus, Toyota, and now Kia and Hyundai...the fit, finish, and quality is generally higher. And the vehicles are known by brand to be reliable, because they are. The difference lies in what is considered normal for the brand. It’s normal for a Japanese vehicle to be well made...you expect it. Because by large numbers we’ve come to experience that as consumers. On the flip side...it’s considered normal in American manufacturing that an engine burns a quart or more within 3k miles? It’s considered “normal” for their vehicles to constantly have parts break from as early as 20 miles on the odometer through their lifetime? Digital dashes, brakes, seatbelts, tires, sensors, transmissions, and engines...all commonly break. it’s unacceptable in this day and age, and American car owners shouldn’t be rationalizing it...but demanding better reliability on par with the leaders of the industry.