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Officially ordered from Reynold's GMC in West Covina, CA two weeks ago. Best price I can do is MSRP exact. He told me it's only a slim 50% chance it will get accepted by GM into allocation, and the order may be cancelled by end of September. What do you think?

Of course, Liberals are driving up all the truck prices, due to overpopulation with higher birth rate, and their leases are expiring all the time. The distribution per-capita supply/demand rate is uneven across America, with California being the worst state in America, while Illinois state, where Laura GMC dealer is located, has the least population density.

If I order a V6, will the order allocation be delayed or more difficult to be accepted, considering its lower demand than V8? How does dealer allocation works, and is my good chance better in a larger volume dealer or higher-rated dealer?

Reynolds GMC in West Covina, CA will let me order a new Sierra today for MSRP exact. The sales manager who is an older gentleman told me that the price gap between supplier invoice price to MSRP is only $1,700 difference, and there's not much profit to take advantage of for the Sierra base-trim that I'm ordering with a 4.3L V6. Is this my best route to go? Is the supplier invoice price the price that the dealer pays? Is this an honest statement made by the dealer? It does have the highest Yelp rating than any auto dealers (all brands) in California. REYNOLDS BUICK GMC - 72 Photos & 240 Reviews - Auto Repair - 345 Citrus Ave, West Covina, CA - Phone Number (yelp.com)

There's two buyers looking because California has a higher per-capita number of youthful population than anywhere in the United States. More younger population = higher demand for hot-rod vehicles. They also have a higher per-capita income than other states too. So, more purchasing power + lower inventory = higher prices set by dealers. Simple as that... A bunch of them lease too, so their purchasing power is even better and stronger than necessary. And, they need a new vehicle too every 3 years, regardless of price. So, no inventory available. Plus, Californians rack up the miles on the odometer faster than other states too. So, they exit a vehicle fast into a new one soon. There's really no ultra low-mileage used trucks for sale in California, technically, because people bought them all too fast. You will always find one in the central states before California, and then demand has stabilized. As I say to myself many times, "There's really nothing to buy in California. The best used vehicles you buy are going to be outside California. Period."

Oh yes..., California hasn't been a great state since the 1980s, anyway.

Just called..., $8,000 markup over MSRP now since May 1. Used to be $5,000 last month. Thanks California Liberals for jacking up prices, and please stop your hoarding on new leases that drains down supply availability.

I'm now in the process to order a new 2021.9 GMC Sierra 4.3L V6 crew-cab today, and I want the one that is the final-edition version produced near the end of the production model year. That's why I waited a little bit, because it needs to be a 2021.9 version, the final GM pickup with a 4.3L V6 engine. I will try Reynolds GMC dealer in West Covina, CA next, that you mentioned earlier in post. But first, I will need to stop by to Cerritos Auto Square and Long Beach, CA (our local) Boulevard GMC dealer first for their policies on markup prices, which they are closer to my home. I live in Long Beach too.

OP here (update)... Unfortunately, this dealer has changed its mind now, and when I went back to visit today to make an official order, there's now a $5,000 mandatory markup over MSRP for each new truck ordered, and it is non-negotiable. Why is this happening... Too many Liberals in California have expired leases, so they need to get into a new vehicle fast, regardless of the higher price or markup. More Liberals are likely to lease instead of purchase, so faster inventory turnover rate. So, the extra $5,000 markup won't affect the monthly lease price that much, vs. purchase that requires a full sales tax upfront. With lease transactions, you don't need to pay the full sales tax upfront, so purchasing power is actually higher and easier for the (smart) Liberals. So, dealers decide to raise up prices after seeing this same pattern multiple times since early-2010s. They like lease instead of purchase transactions now. Most southern California GM dealers have pretty much given up completely selling at MSRP exact only. They know people will always come in to buy at any price for new lease, regardless of markup or over MSRP, and they no longer need to chase any customer in to buy one. You don't see this issue in a conservative, Republican area, right, where purchase is more popular than lease, so less turnover rate + higher new inventory = lower price?

Perfect... When you saw one Sierra truck in-stock, did you see any window sticker showing dealer accessories, dealer markups, and etc.? Thanks.

Which dealer? So, I can call. Thanks.

You're lucky you haven't been to the worst dealer. The worst dealer in America is a Ram dealer in Huntington Beach, CA. Mandatory markups of $5,000 over MSRP are required, plus an additional mandatory markup of $7,000 on dealer add-on accessories. Total $12,000 mandatory markup.

Yes, I'm well-aware of that. But, could the 4.3L EcoTec3 possibly still be more-reliable than 5.3L, due to a more simple-design with less-complexity. I don't think anyone here has any problems with the 4.3L. OHV is OHV, no difference at all for any OHV engine's layout design (other than a different engine block material to aluminum instead of cast-iron). I think it's similar to Buick's 3800 engine, also an OHV. Can we call 4.3L EcoTec3 most-bulletproof?

OP here, the best I've found is exact MSRP for ordering one at Mark Christopher Chevrolet in Ontario, CA, and deposit is only a low $500. Should I go this route?

Your requirements sound like to me that you emphasize reliability more. Go with 4.3L V6 with 6-speed auto. If you accidentally didn't buy this drivetrain pair, expect only "below-average" reliability or less, published by Consumer Reports. The ones with 6-speed auto have at least "above-average" reliability by Consumer Reports, if there is ever a separate rating for it.

From GM's own history book, the 4.3L V6 is actually their most "tried and true" motor, due to its more compact design, less complexity, fewer moving parts, certified as industrial for fleets, and etc. It's possible that 4.3L V6 has always been rated more-reliable than 5.3L V8, since beginning of history. I'll let owners compute on this one to support the claim. Which motor has been more-reliable to you?

When is the last day to order a new 2021 instead? I think getting the final-edition 4.3L V6 is for me with all options, and it can be a future classic truck.

Please help me... So, is a 2020 Ford F-150 with 6-speed auto more-reliable than GM 6L80e? What is the actual failure rate between the two? It sounds like to me that torque converter or total-failure is a common problem in 6L80e.

In your opinion, which of the Big 3 builds the most-durable transmission right now? Is Ford F-150 6-speed any better, or Ram 1500 8-speed?

But, why is this happening? Is it because too many California leases are expiring, so people are willing to pay at any price, even over MSRP?

If you were to do this again, which GM dealer would you buy from and trust? I will try Mark Christopher GM dealer in Ontario, CA next, #1 largest GM dealer in whole southern California. I'm just researching for now, but with low-expectations.

Not really. It maybe be a California state problem rather than dealers. Too many leases are expiring, due to overpopulation, so the dealers cannot handle the extra demand of sales. More Liberals are likely to lease than purchase, actually, so they need to get into something fast, regardless of inventory shortage or over MSRP cost. More conservatives usually own, so less turnover rate = lower price than MSRP. Wasn't like this before in 2008-2010 when I ordered the last 2008 Ford F-150 V6 4.2L OHV. Sales were falling, due to upcoming recession, and I got a phone call during vehicle transit that dealers were switching to employee pricing sales. Completely opposite today.

$4,400 off MSRP is the actual MSRP sticker price, before $4,400 rebates. I'm looking for invoice. Anyone has any luck?

What about 4.3L V6? This one has AFM too, and is this the only one available with AFM? That's a big difference in fuel economy here. Going from V6 AFM to V8 w/o AFM available for ordering. Pick one only. I actually got up to 39.7 MPG before in V4 mode mostly from 4.3L V6. I was the OP of this thread: Got up to 39.7 MPG on highway from Laughlin, NV to Los Angeles, CA...296.4 miles driving straight... - 2014 - 2019 Silverado & Sierra - GM-Trucks.com But that was in 2018 model last generation with RWD 3.24 axle instead of 3.42 today. The new 2019+ design will never reach up to 39.7 MPG, due to 3.42 today.

Same thing as for HD pickups too. All come with $5,000 - $10,000 dealer-markups. I guess it's a California state problem itself rather than nationwide inventory, but I need your confirmation first in your state. Are you seeing (or hearing) over MSRP only transaction for new Silverado/Sierra from your local GM dealer? California has the highest number of high-mileage drivers, highest turnover for new vehicles due to expired leases, high-mileage Uber/Lyft drivers, higher per capita income, undocumented immigrants needing vehicles, higher birth rate, and etc. Over MSRP transactions only from certain car makers have happened before in California's history, actually, when I was growing up. So, where can I order a new Sierra at a GMC dealer for a little over invoice? Or, am I out of luck, and I can only order in the state of Arizona? I seriously doubt the small towns there would sell for over MSRP only. My #1 goal is to find one at near invoice, or $1,000 off MSRP before rebates. What do you think?