I dunno. There are plenty of v8's that sound awesome under load, mine sure does (I don't have a 5 3). Toyota's Tundra and the Nissan Titan sound great, as do the various hemi's. Haven't heard a Ford 5.0 in a while. I think a lot of it has to do with GM purposely tuning the exhaust etc to make their new v8's more refined, but I bet some subtle exhaust tweaks and air intake changes would help. I do agree though that older v8's sound even better. I watch a few youtube channels where guys fix up these old beaters and man do those thing sound nice.
A "ricer" refers to a 4 banger with an aftermarket exhaust that sounds like it's farting in a tin can, combined with lots of turbo noise and blitzy graphics on the side. (It's actually a derogatory term and I apologize for using it, since it has roots in the young Asian community and their turbo'ed honda's and nissans, the "ricer" is a reference to them eating lots of rice.) It has nothing to do with rpms in order to make torque. A v8 with stock exhaust sounds awesome, nothing like a ricer. It's the exact opposite of a ricer, v8's make power through displacement, not turbos. I have nothing against the 2.7, in fact I'm very interested in it. However, I want it to be quiet and refined, that is the difference. I don't want it to remind me of the stupid little honda's riding 1 inch off the ground. Also I have no idea why you need to rev to 3000 rpms to get up to speed, because my truck lives between 1000 and 2000 rpms, literally. If it revs over 2200 rpms I'm having a really bad month or I'm pulling my trailer.
Thanks for the reports guys, please keep them coming! With respect to the diesel; no doubt I'd love to drive one, but not sure I want to own one. One diesel related issue outside of warranty and you never get your money back. And the other problem is, they only offer them in expensive trims. GM plays games with their drive trains.
I'm very interested in hearing reports of how the 2.7 is doing with respect to towing modest loads. There is the 2.7 fan thread which I've read through 100%, but just wondering if owners have any other information they might be willing to share? Given an example travel trailer of roughly 5000 pounds: - Does it bring a load up to speed from 0 mph, without redlining? - How is the MPG (while towing)? - When you're towing at (say) 63 mph what gear are you in (or what RPM are you sitting at on a flat road)? - How much hunting does it do for slight increases of speed, or slight hills in the road? - Comparison vs the 5.3 or 6.2 if you've experience with either engine? - etc. I have a very curious interest in this engine, and though I won't be trading my current truck in this year, I do like to have all my research done before I need a truck so that I can make a snap decision if/when it comes time.
As a happy Ram owner... Here are my honest thoughts. Their interior of course which you mentioned, the exterior is also great (though I do prefer the GMC/Chevy on the outside), world class 8 speed transmission (the 10 speed Chevy apparently shifts just as nice, but it's not available on all trims, and the Chevy 8 speed is quite bad), a great v8 available on every trim (I didn't want the 5.3 and the 6.2 which is stronger then the hemi, again, only available on costly trims). The Ram drives/handles better, especially the rear end as it goes over bumps like railroad tracks, the coil suspension does not do that little side skip that the GM twins do with their leaf spring, and the Ram air ride dominates all else. The downside to the Ram is that it doesn't carry weight as well as the Chevy, payload is usually slightly less though that's partly because the Ram is a heavier truck and not necessarily the fault of the suspension per se. So in short; if you're not brand loyal (and I'm most certainly not), I didn't want to pay $10,000 more for the same trimmed truck (BigHorn = LT) and get a weaker engine, a worse transmission, worse interior, and worse ride. Now I'd definitely trade my Ram for the AT4 with the 3.0 or the 6.2 and the 10 speed. But I just can't justify it in terms of cost. The Ram does a lot really well, for less money.
Unless you're selling privately to a very picky buyer, the holes won't matter at all. I used to worry about slight scratches and dings etc, until I traded my last car in for my truck and the dealer basically said: AC? Sunroof? Leather? ... I'll give you X Didn't even bother looking too much in depth at the condition other than for glaring signs of abuse. It's all about checking some boxes on their list and condition makes no difference. I babied it; oil sprayed every year, washed often, nicer rims and tires. They couldn't care less, you'll never get that back.
When I tested them on my Ram, they only had 1/4 inch or less of air gap, which means, any thing other than a small bump would cause the shocks to contact and begin compression and it totally wrecked my ride quality while unloaded.They are color coded, and I forget what color (blue vs black) I had, but they were the medium duty ones, possibly the lighter ones would be less stiff and jarring on contact.
I suspect many people just don't have the mental capacity to understand this issue. I had this discussion on a different forum with a guy who was pulling a 10,000 pound 5w with a halfton and 1200 pounds payload. "So you're telling me that the manufacturer is lying to me". No, the manufacturer doesn't know what trailer you're pulling. You can possibly pull a boat at 10,000 pounds but not a 5th wheel, because there is more than one limit to worry about, and the limit that almost always ocurrs first, is payload.
You have to pay to make power. TFL Truck tested the 2020 2500 and got 15.4 mpg. It would be better than that in a lighter 1500 and a 3.21 rear end.
I stand corrected! As for the powertrain, agreed. The Hemi is perfectly acceptable for my usage (as is the Chevy 5.3), but I would never complain if we got something to compete more with the 6.2. I don't think anybody knows what is coming, but Jeep just dropped the 6.4 (from the 2500) in the Wrangler of all places (probably due to upcoming competition from Ford Bronco) so who knows. I suspect they were hoping the etorque would be more effective, but in practice I doubt it has any real value.
I seriously doubt you can build a Laramie with a bench. I tried. Both the online site and asking the dealer to do it manually. Each time I found out that Big Horn was the last trim. Beyond that it was buckets only. Maybe USA was different, but it's one reason I settled for my trim. And there is nothing on dealer lots. If you can find one, I'd be happy to change my mind, until then it's a myth (here in Canada anyway. We do have odd stuff, like a dedicated "sport" trim that you can't buy in the USA though you can get a sport package on top of a different trim in US) I'm well aware of those ram threads. The problem is those numbers don't add up. I posted my weight of 650 pounds lighter than many limiteds. Clearly that 650 pounds goes somewhere, since it's the "same truck". My curb weight is 5350. GVWR is 7100 pounds according to door sticker, payload is 1750, so doing the math that equals 5350. I agree on etorque, I passed, but it adds weight which is what I'm discussing here. As for "running the same powertrain", keep in mind the ZF 8 speed is leagues ahead of anyother 8 speed. It's used in BMWs, Aston Martin, Alpha Romeo, and some other very pricy stuff. You guys were dealing with a pretty mediorce and jerky 8 speed all that time while Ram was running around in the better transmission. The 10 speed is apparently just as good, so well done GM/Ford, but it's not like having the 8 speed is a problem. Just down 2 gears.
Just saw this post now; but you can't get a bench seat in a Laramie. No doubt the Ram is heavier, I never claimed otherwise. However, there ARE features on it which cause significant weight; the panoramic sun roof, the ram boxes, air suspension, the etorque + battery pack, the "frame shakers" to cancel vibrations in the frame, a true 4x4 transfer case (most 2019 chevys don't have 4x4 low) etc etc. All heavy features you don't get on LTZ's (4x4 low is available with Z71 package only). To give you an idea of the range; I have an almost fully optioned out Big Horn, with a true 4x4. My payload is 1750 pounds. A loaded limited can go as low as 1100 pounds or less. Same frame, same construction, but 650 pounds difference based on options. The Ford is lighter than all trucks, aluminum is much lighter than even HSS. Do you want to drive around in a jittery fish can? They ride like sh|t compared to my truck. In the end, what do you want to drive? That's the real question. I don't know a single shopper that said: gee, the Ford is lighter, guess I'm gettin that. You certainly didn't care, right? Nothing from Ford can tempt you out of your 6.2. Same thing with me, I don't care what it weighs, just what it provides. Edit: Just to be perfectly clear: I'm not a "Ram fan" in the least. I do love my truck, but I would be equally happy in a 6.2 LT/SLE. My decision was based primarily on cost, as due to discounts and dealer haggling, an LT would have cost me 10000 more for the same truck. They were offering a work truck with vinyl floors for the same price I walked out the door with my Ram. So I'm not bashing GM in the slightest. I actually love them, especially some of the the drive trains (6.2 + 3.0 and 10 speed) and the exterior which are better than Ram at this point.
They did. Wasn't a design error, it was a supplier issue providing bad lifters (the needle bearings were seizing). That was a bad run for a few years, but was correct I believe somewhere around 2014. Problem affected engines for a few years before that. Regarding the "underlubricates the cam", that was never an actual issue but just people missundering the lifter issue. "Uncle Tony's Garage" on youtube had a few videos about this, he didn't say it was the cam but that due to the cam placement the oil was no longer getting slung up into the lifter chambers. He then tried to demonstrated this pouring oil over a lifter, "proving" that the oil didn't run down due to the angle; which was kind of silly because the lifters would be force fed oil due to oil presssure. And if there was never any oil getting down there, they would be siezing up within 10 minutes of running. His theory is just incorrect from all angles. Ram has already explained the issue, a bad batch of lifters from their supplier. The 5.3 has had its issues as well, AFM anyone? The hemi itself has been out since what, 2003? Lots of high mileage hemis out there. I'm not worried about mine, though I do give it the best oil out there: Redline 5W-30 with lots of moly.
He lives in Toronto so either he has lots of money (average house price is just under 1 million) or he has no money left (because the average house price is 1 million). 86K in Toronto gets you a coffee and a bagel these days, completely nuts.
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