Jesse Davidson

Be careful when you attempt to trade it, I was offered 12,500 less than I should have been, I was expecting 44000-45000 after removing 7k in incentives AND 7k for a full years worth of depreciation even though the truck was less than a month old. I was offered 32000. My MSRP was mid 58000 with all of the options, accessories, and protection package that it has

actually i shouldnt say that, the 5.3 has the same issues

welcome to my world

there is another thread for the same topic over 360 pages

you should check the ford forum, they are getting reports of vibration issues now too, Ram had them in the past, but either damped them enough that they aren't felt or fixed them, not entirely sure which. I used to recommend GM, but not any more... heres a little bit of a break down: 2014-2015 GMC & Chevy 1500 = radio reception issues, vibration issues (ranges from tires/ rims, differentials, drive shafts, suspension, engine) mind you each is generally different; transmission issues (clunky, and makes the truck lurch forward) GM Canyon & Colorado = vibration issues & radio issues similar to the 1500's 2015 F-150 = paint issues on the new aluminum bodies, reports starting about vibration issues, some have indicated cylinder issues Ram [ecodiesel] = cold start issues with diesel gelling, as well as DEF Fluid freezing (truck goes into limp mode (40 MPH max) needs to warm up to thaw fluids, typically in a shop by way of being towed. the trucks require nose guards (grill shields) in winter to keep snow from getting into the turbo and freezing/ keeping water out of the engine Ram [all inc. ecodiesel] = typical paint an body issues, prone to paint peeling and rusting, although in my opinion, they have improved from 2013 onward when FIAT bought them. have heard a few reports of valve issues, typically a pretty good drive line, especially with the Cummins in the 2500's Nissan [new Titan not out yet] = never be the first to buy a new thing lol Toyota Tundra = tried & true drive train, if not dated, worst fuel economy of full size trucks, interior features very limited, 1 usb input..... its a TOYOTA, seats are supposed to be best in class, i can neither confirm nor deny these are just the issues I am aware of for each vehicle, mind you not all vehicles will have them or even the same ones for that matter, its a matter of testing them, finding what you like and don't like, then choosing the lesser of the evils

I have the 22" Bridgestones, may or may not have roadforce, the dealer wont do the test. I'm going to put my other set of 18" Wrangler's on to test either tomorrow or thursday. as I've said, I think most of my vibration is related to the engine/ engine mount

good to know, I thought the 17, 18, and 20's all had wranglers on them

does that mean your not taking a replacement?

Good Luck with the drives, don't kill the dealer on their whole fleet haha, and remember what TheFactor said above

I went to Jannell Ford, and they offered me 32,000 based when deducting 7000 in incentives and another 7,000 for the full first years worth of depreciation I should have been offered 44,000-45,000 based upon my truck. so approximately 26% extra or 12,000-13,000. but thats just my experience

It's really sad to see this happening

I'm going to post a new question, anyone have issues with their transmission? My uncle bought a new LTZ Crew 4x4 with the 5.3 and he is saying that his is very "clunky" and it will randomly jerk when in a gear change, predominantly at highway speeds. I'm unaware of any trans. issues like that, he said it basically jerks the entire truck and throws him forward.

I'll give you that one.... they definitely do

I gotta say, I do like the look of the truck, but I'm not a huge fan of the front fascia, and how it it angled forward, The Chevy does have a better look, but the Ram doesn't vibrate, so there is that

Be aware of Ford, they are now having reports of Vibrations AND paint issues on their aluminum bodies, then again, Ram has always had issues with their paint & body work. Vehicles are always a losing battle for the consumers, each one has its flaws, its just a matter of which one has the lesser of the evil flaws, and in my opinion, right now its Ram

haha yea, If only I could just jump any and all speeds with a vibration.... wait they all do, I'm fully regretting this truck right now and wish I just got the Ram

gotta agree with Bill here, regardless of how "smooth" it may or may not run, that fact that it shakes/ vibrates enough to be felt throughout cab is a problem, and shows a design flaw with the engine itself or the engine mount. and if that is the case, they really should use the same balancing techniques for the V6 as they do in the V8, you cant tell the Ram is a V6 through vibration like this, could be a better mount or damping, i don't really know. regardless, my cab shouldn't be vibrating from it, I consider it a design flaw nonetheless.

One thing to keep in mind is that those tests are typically done in pure torsion, pure tension, or pure compression, these vibrations are considered a reversed loading in the form of propagation (a slight bend or shake back and forth) so they are very different loading styles and Pure Tension/Compression/Torsion will return to its normal elastic range as long as it wasn't exceeded in the first place, the propagation grinds/ wears and causes micro stress cracks that end up being the stress concentration, and eventually the point of failure, the methods are just two entirely different things. I can't speak to as to how ram dampened their vibration, I don't fully know what exactly they had, and I do agree that those rubber shackles could potentially really improve the ride, however I stick by the fact that it isn't a fix for the real issues at hand, it would simply be a bandaid that masks them. I'm really not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to state my feeling at this point in time about it. I may end up getting some and putting them on myself, I think they look awesome, but it won't be until the Vibes are actually fixed. Bill, it was great to meet you today as well, It was really interesting to see the two trucks and be able to compare them side by side (one after the other) for they issues, and I think we found some really good points to keep an eye on and bring up here. Yes, the trucks have different engines, rim and tire sizes, and trim levels, but I think it still gave some insight into what the issues, and potential fixes may be. Engine Mount on the 4.3 V6: We did a water bottle test on the engines themselves, my 4.3 V6 would just about walk the full water bottle off the engine because it vibrates/ shakes so much even at idle, while Bill's 6.2 V8 remained pretty consistent and calm, with only a couple moments that it had a little really noticeable vibe, but most of the time it was calm and the water bottle didn't walk. The Engines (regarding air fuel ratio & air flow): The 4.3 runs a fair amount rougher than the 6.2, one of the theories was whether or not the air intake is getting enough constant air or if the ECU is adjusting it and causing it to run lean or heavy making it rougher. I have actually been contemplating this since I bought my truck because I have noticed that pretty frequently, especially at idle when sitting in traffic, my A/C dips as I slow and stop, occasionally blowing somewhat warm air and a slower speed through the vents, even when I have it set for 60 degrees. (this could also possible help with the AFM Vibe? I don't really know for sure, but could be worth testing a high flow cold air intake maybe?) The Rims, Tires: Between Bill and I, we can test the 18", 20", and 22" rims, as Bill mentioned, the when his dealer swapped his 20"'s for 18" his truck rode like a dream with no vibrations, but when they put the new 20" 's back on, it was worse than when he first brought it in. They ended up changing the model of the tire to the Goodyear Eagle LS2 and it now rides "almost as good as with the 18" 's with very little vibration. My 22's with Bridgestone Dueler RHS's are the only rim/tire combo I've tried thus far, This coming week, I am pulling my set of 18" 's with the Goodyear Wrangler SRA's out of the warehouse, and Bill and I are going to see if and how they change the ride/ vibration that occurs in my truck. I think it will be a very interesting test, as I've never had them on the truck before. The Shocks: When Bill's truck was in, they replaced his rear shocks, mind you he has less than 5k miles and his shocks were "shot" when we checked them out, we noticed that his had a different OE replacement part # my truck was OE 18708 where his was OE 18707, don't really know what the difference is, but the part number does differ. One of the things that concerned me was, did Bill just get a bad set from the get go? Or is something mis-aligned that caused them to fail? I guess time will tell on that one, but hopefully it was only part of a bad batch and nothing bad with his truck. The Drive: Bill's truck was substantially more smooth than mine, even with the water bottle test, it was clear that his truck had less vibration than mine now, in his truck, they remained calm even while accelerating. In my truck this wasn't the case, even at idle without moving, the water was going pretty good, not as bad as some of the people on here have posted, but good nonetheless. Bill actually said something along the lines of "it reminds me of how my truck was before the apparent fix". so there is possibly hope after all. All in all, I think we have found some thing that could use taking a look at, and in the mean time, I'm going to continue to tinker around with some things here and there to see if anything helps. I am interested to see how much of a difference the tire make, if any for that matter. I feel we have pretty much narrowed the majority of my vibration directly to the engine/ engine mount, whether I just have a bad mount or the whole mount design is flawed, I don't know. After I swap out the tires, and Bill and I meet again, I will take a video of the water bottles on on the engines to show the difference, is someone else wants to do the same on their engines, it will be really interesting to compare the results. Jesse

The frame and drive components would still be vibrating, (causing the excessive wear and eventually premature failure) the new "improved" shackle dampers, may help to reduce/eliminate it from the cab, but it still isn't fixing the actual issue. Yes vehicles used dampers to reduce it, but right now, it's not just road force we are feeling, it is physical issues with the drive components. It would be like putting a bandaid on to cover it up, but wouldn't fix the issues at their roots. Look at it like this: Drive shaft: A drive shaft goes through whats called Pure Rotational Fatigue being that it is spinning, it is under Cyclic Non-uniform Loading, as well as Torsional Fatigue at the drive shaft coupling. If the part is made out of spec (unbalanced) or improperly installed (misaligned), the shaft experiences excess torque & bending, which will lead to a failure at any point of imperfection, whether it be a slight scratch that starts to corrode, a portion of the shaft that has was we call "schmutz" or improperly formed metal within a part, or outside derbis that shouldn't be there to begin with. All of these are detrimental to mechanical parts, and while the shackles may mask the problem, it doesn't fix it. they will remain improperly aligned, mis balanced, whatever it may be, leading to premature failure. it will be a similar scenario for the rest of the trucks, the vibration shakes/ rattles, and moves the other parts of within the vehicle causing premature failure albeit not as fast as the part(s) that have the actual problem. Hope this makes sense Jesse

my concern is that although it may make it so you don't feel the vibe, it will still be there, whether its the rear diff, AFM, tires, driveshaft etc. whatever it is. the longer its there, the worse it is for the fatigue life of the parts, and the sooner the truck will fail. I'd rather get the real issue fixed than just mask it. May do it to improve the ride after, but its like putting a bandaid on a cut off finger, may help stop the bleeding, but it wont put your finger back on.

maybe we could get GM to use use them as a replacement part haha

I'd take it in to atleast get it documented if nothing else. If it is very slight like your saying, it could potentially be something as simple as the tires, improper alignment, etc. as some other people have found with their trucks. alternatively, you could be starting the same process many of us are dealing with now. Good Luck man. I agree, anything that helps at this point will be a awesome. hahaha I hear ya on the cape traffic, I was heading home from Boston at about 2:35 ish, and it was a typical summer friday on 93, I expected it to pick up a bit once I got past the split, but it didn't change all that much. That being said, yes I do live South of Boston, I would definitely like to see how your truck is now, and you can tell me how you think mine is. I will say that I feel that the majority of the vibration is more related to the engine than the rear diff, drive shaft etc (personally, I think that the way they have the engine mounting bracket is a bad design which causes alot of the vibration I have). I do think that i may have a couple bad tires, but again GM is refusing to do anything to my truck. but without any testing and work being done I refuse to rule ANYTHING out.

good luck

Sometimes Autocheck will show stuff carfax doesn't and vice versa. I don't trust either, they are nice to see, but I check for body work myself regardless of what they say

for how long though is the real question. good luck