I have Toyo open country extremes now they've got to be the most useless tires iv ever bought besides good year durajunks. I'll be going back to my Wild country's they were an incredible tire the traction was just amazing and they didn't beat the heck outa your nice pickup like durajunks do. I do must say them Toyo's of mine look good and don't thoss rocks at all they just suck off pavement especially at $1900 for all four installed balanced. They suck really bad in snow so bad iv used my 2wd 94 to pull out my z71 that's how crappy them Toyo's are. When you buy Toyo you just buy the name that's it.