I’m not saying it is more or less reliable, I suppose time will tell, but I was trying to say was that I had read that was one of the reasons the author of the article had used as a reason for why GM was offering the 10-speed on the 5.3L’s In 2020 or perhaps that was just their theory, they certainly did not quote anyone at GM as saying that and they likely would never say such a thing.
2019 Sierra Denali 5.3L V8 with 8-speed automatic and I average 19+ in stop and go around town, better on highway when driving steady and sensible, but what fun is that? I would have bought the more available and more expensive 6.2L with 10-speed tranny but I never tow anything and I did not want the 20" wheels and tires. GM really needs to open up the build ordering options more, engines, trannies, colors, chrome, carbon, etc. I hear the 2020 Sierra 1500s will have the 10-speed option for the 5.3L engines that gets a mile or so more per gallon, but is a more reliable transmission. It may be just an excuse to phase out the 8-speed and make them all 10-speed so they are all the same (less options again), who knows? The new Corvettes ordering system may be a step in the right direction.
My 2019 Sierra Denali auto stop/auto start works as advertised. Only stops/starts if completely stopped with foot firmly on brake, transmission in Drive, only disabled if AC is on FULL (otherwise it works as normal) and certain atmospheric conditions exist, mild conditions with A/C on or off will not matter. I plugged a trailer light adapter in and it does not shut off the auto s/s per design (you have to have a trailer light attached or make a modification to the plug, adapter or wiring which I am not going to do). I had read elsewhere that "Sport" mode disables it but that does not shut it down either. I have tried everything I could think of or that had been suggested and the only thing that works with the least effort, no mods, no chance of voiding warranty is using the simple button on the dash to disable it (the "A" with a circle around it), but you must do it each time you restart the car, (Oh poor me!) it is second nature to me now, and to think I drove a shift for years. GM was one of the last makers to use this "technology" and some such as Toyota have used some form of it going back to the 1970s. Manufacturers get CAFE standards credit up to 3 years before and up to 5 years after utilizing such "fuel efficient" devices so you will see some of them come and go from year to year and vary by manufacturer. I would prefer the default to be for the owner/driver to decide whether to utilize the technology or not, (in other words off unless I turn it on) but that probably counts against their CAFE credits. It does not matter that it only saves around $50 per year in optimum conditions use (read that somewhere else), or that there is more wear and tear on starters, batteries, and more, just as long as it saves a tank of gas per year it is a winner for CAFE and the politicians and manufacturers can exclaim victory for all, look what we did for you! No thanks, I can do better by altering my personal driving habits.
No, I understand perfectly. First, the dealership gets kickback money for all loans that they sell, but they must stay open at least 90 or for 3 full payments, whichever occurs first. If the loan is paid off as in a refi, they lose that money, commonly a fixed amount of $500, but these deals vary by the state due to financing laws and if not also between the manufacturer and dealership based upon the volume of sales or something similar. The dealership made a deal with me to pay my interest for 3 months if I took $1500 financing rebate/bonus/incentive which also came off the price of my vehicle, lowering my taxes, by adding that amount to my trade, lowering my purchase price which the taxes are based upon except in Montana, Alaska, New Hampshire, Delaware, and Oregon, where there is no sales tax. So all total I got another $500 off on top of the $1500 financing rebate. GM Financial loans are not technically tied to any rebates, bonus, incentive cash, or other such deals, and they normally do not have pre-payment penalties. They technically cannot do anything unless you signed an agreement outside of the GM Financial loan documents. My agreement is not in the loan documents, my dealer paid my finance charges which lowered my taxes so I would qualify for the $1500 financing incentive and they would get their $500 kickback for selling the loan. It was a win-win deal for both of us. I don't know how much the finance manager gets personally, but the dealership gets a total of $500 to distribute as they please I suppose. Probably nothing to the salesman since he is not in the room when the financing deal is done and gets his commission on the sale of the vehicle anyway. I also have FREE lifetime oil, filter, lube, and tire rotation/balancing deal that I have to go back to that same dealer to receive, so I don't want to screw them (or anyone else) out of $500 or any other amount of money and expect them to be happy about it. I don't operate that way anyway, they were very good to me, always have been, and they have a great reputation in the community. Model year and summer clearance deals are everywhere now and they will change rapidly from state to state and from dealer to dealer. I will not be following or replying to any further posts in this forum, as "How much did you pay" is no longer relevant to me in any way whatsoever as this topic has now officially been beaten to death. Good luck everyone and may you get the best deal possible for you. Peace.
That all depends upon your finance interest rates which are based upon your credit scores, etc. You have to do the math to see if it works for you or not. I intended to buy cash deal, but GM offered $1500 finance incentive to take out a loan with GM Financial. The interest rate was high even though I have excellent credit, so I paid $50,000.00 on first payment which was maximum online payment amount, then paid all but a few hundred dollars 30 days later, and paid off entire balance on day 91 so I would not lose the GM $1500 finance incentive which cost me a hundred bucks or so in interest, but the dealership finance manager added $300 to my trade to cover that and I paid less taxes that way as well. YMMV
GM Financial loans are simple interest loans with no prepayment or refinance penalty of any kind, in any state, but if you get a GM Finance rebate or finance bonus cash or finance incentive cash, you must keep the loan for at least 90 days or you forfeit that GM Finance “bonus” money.
Lucky you being a resident of Montana, but like most places, they usually get you somewhere it seems, other than maybe Montana. You can take the GM Finance deal and transfer the loan after 91 days with no penalty other than 3 months interest and keep the $1,000 finance bonus which would lower the taxes for the rest of us. Alaska, Delaware, New Hampshire, and Oregon also have no sales taxes. There is a reason that Montana LLC's are so popular, but it can cost you if you are not a resident and get caught by your home state when they add on fines, penalties, and interest for not paying the vehicle tax in your home state.
Wow, opposite experience for me, Wyler would not come down from msrp other than same rebates everyone got, told me “these new 2019 GMC trucks were so hot we can sell them for any price we want, as matter of fact they sell themselves.” I told them that at least 2 other dealers were coming down around 10% off msrp and they laughed at me and said I “better jump on that deal but it was not going to happen ar Wyler.” Okay. Chesrown not only beat the other out of town deal I had working but threw in a couple of extras and gave $3,000 over the best price quote I had received for my trade which I did not mention until after I had best price on my new truck. I was prepared to pay cash and just sell my truck myself and had a written quote from Carmax for close to what I wanted already, but Chesrown wanted to keep my business, and that they did. They are all friendly as heck with me when I come in for my free oil changes, parts or accessories. Wyler is from Cincinnati and maybe they treat customers better there, but not around Columbus where they have a bad reputation with everyone I know, the exact opposite of the reputation that Chesrown has around the north side. Dan Tobin Chevy GMC Buick was as bad as Wyler, or worse, no price break on 2019 GMC Sierra Denali and low ball price for trade, didn’t return phone calls, never again for them. I should have just stayed with Chesrown in the first place and saved time and money while staying as happy as I have ever been with a car dealer, plus they are within ten minutes from me, what was I thinking?
Hello from the other side of Columbus! I’m glad Chesrown Chevy GMC Buick in Delaware does not treat me that way, especially since I have lifetime oil, filter, lube, tire rotation and balance from them that is not transferable. Wyler does not have the best reputation anyway, but I would talk to someone at GM about the experience to see what they say. Then find a way to get them to say in an email that your added accessories do not invalidate your warranty in any way whatsoever so you have documentation to back up their words and your warranty. You paid a lot of money to have a dealership employee declare your warranty invalid due the installation of some minor accessories, and then be threatened that way. I’m sure GM does not want that word spreading whether Wyler cares about their reputation or not. Maybe you start your conversation with the general manager or owner before you go to GM, but somehow you have to protect your investment and without threats from employees. Just my 2 cents worth and good luck! Keep us posted.
In my experience they won't do much if anything on a demo. A dealer once gave me a better deal on brand new with 50 miles (most were by me) than they wanted for exact same demo with almost 4,000 miles. They have usually been driven hard and put away wet because people are doing test drives and employees drive the heck out of them, then they are sold "as new" later, and usually no extension to the manufacturers' warranty. You can always get an extended warranty for a price, but I would stay away from "demos' and just buy a good, low mileage used vehicle for cheaper if going that route. Hard to beat deals at Everett Buick GMC in Bryant, Ark where I once knew one of the managers before he passed away. Laura Buick GMC in Collinsville, IL (near St Louis, MO) is a pretty good volume dealer located in that part of the world with good prices as well.
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