'Vette-powered Escalade or XT5 - Which Is the Future?

Well I guess I made the right move ridding myself of my Durango and not getting a Ram... sheesh!

What years?

The part that gets me is that you can never get back what you paid for the vehicle. Even a month old takes the price down. In cases like these where there is a serious defect that cannot be repaired, owner should recover what he paid for the vehicle, and the manufacturer take the hit. In this specific case, instead of making them pay NHTSA $105 million fine, have FCA-US take that fine and apply it to the buy back price so the consumer can recoup their losses. If the vehicle cannot be repaired, to me, that means it is a design fault. Design faults are there from day one, consumer should never have been able to purchase the vehicle.

What are they going to do about being "ugly"?

What are they going to do about being "ugly"?

Nothing they can do! , it's like a bad tattoo, your stuck with it! Edited July 27, 2015 by seasled

They'd be the ugliest if it wasn't for T*y*t* and *i*s*n. I can't decide which is the true ugliest.

What years?

Buy-backs are for trucks and SUVs affected by three recalls that occurred in 2013 (recalls 13V-038, 13V-527 and 13V-529), that addressed a rear-axle pinion nut that could come loose and cause a loss of vehicle control. Those recalls covered 579,228 vehicles, including 2009-2012 Ram 1500, 2500, 3500, 4500 and 5500 trucks, 2009-2012 Dodge Dakotas, 2009 Chrysler Aspen and the 2009 Dodge Durango.

 

(Source - http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/27/fiat-chrysler-buyback-recall-nhtsa-jeep/)

The part that gets me is that you can never get back what you paid for the vehicle. Even a month old takes the price down. In cases like these where there is a serious defect that cannot be repaired, owner should recover what he paid for the vehicle, and the manufacturer take the hit. In this specific case, instead of making them pay NHTSA $105 million fine, have FCA-US take that fine and apply it to the buy back price so the consumer can recoup their losses. If the vehicle cannot be repaired, to me, that means it is a design fault. Design faults are there from day one, consumer should never have been able to purchase the vehicle.

Agreed 100%, they should buy them back at full price, period.

Well dang. Just sold my 2009 Ram last year to get the Silverado. Just kept having issues. This defect being one of them.

LOL, It never ceases to amaze me...It says "DODGE" right on the front, and they still bought it. Dodge, different...There's a reason for everything. And there's a reason that they have always been #3.

Edited July 28, 2015 by Jonny5cam

Buy-backs are for trucks and SUVs affected by three recalls that occurred in 2013 (recalls 13V-038, 13V-527 and 13V-529), that addressed a rear-axle pinion nut that could come loose and cause a loss of vehicle control. Those recalls covered 579,228 vehicles, including 2009-2012 Ram 1500, 2500, 3500, 4500 and 5500 trucks, 2009-2012 Dodge Dakotas, 2009 Chrysler Aspen and the 2009 Dodge Durango.

 

(Source - http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/27/fiat-chrysler-buyback-recall-nhtsa-jeep/)

 

Saw on the local news broadcast last night that this also includes the Jeep Cherokee gas tank location issue. Apparently FCA will install a trailer hitch on those vehicles to protect the fuel tank from rear end collisions. Fuel tanks being compromised in a collision first started when they added a tank to hold fuel in a motor vehicle and will never end unless they stop using volatile fuels.. This particular recall covers 2002-2007 Jeep Liberty and 1993-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee, From what I can find online, there have been 13 deaths associated to this issue. Hard to believe that this even qualifies as being more than coincidental. I read that these vehicles are not on the list of vehicles to be bought back.

 

We will always have the risk of fire from the fuel released due to a collision. The only way we can eliminate that issue is to stop using volatile fuels completely. Even race cars with elaborate fuel cells can catch fire after a collision that ruptures the fuel tank or cell.

Well dang. Just sold my 2009 Ram last year to get the Silverado. Just kept having issues. This defect being one of them.

You definitely made the right call

I personally think the current Ram 1500 is the best looking full size truck on the market. That being said, I can't get past the quality issue that has plagued Chrysler FOREVER! If I did get one, would lease for sure. Problems with the vehicle at the end of the lease? Bye Bye!!!

 

Does make me wonder what they're doing for "Buy Backs" on leased vehicles? Turn it in at the end of the lease? Not sure how safe I would feel keeping a leased vehicle for full term with known mechanical issues that could kill me!

I personally think the current Ram 1500 is the best looking full size truck on the market. That being said, I can't get past the quality issue that has plagued Chrysler FOREVER! If I did get one, would lease for sure. Problems with the vehicle at the end of the lease? Bye Bye!!!

 

Does make me wonder what they're doing for "Buy Backs" on leased vehicles? Turn it in at the end of the lease? Not sure how safe I would feel keeping a leased vehicle for full term with known mechanical issues that could kill me!

Thats what amazes me with so many loyal diehard GM guys leaving for Ram's when the quality is not there historically. I have a distant relative, his parents and in-laws family only bought GM trucks and SUV's for decades (wagons before the SUV's kicked in). He had a '99 Silverado that he bought new it turned 8 years old had over 150,000 miles on it and the transmission goes... Decides then anything made by General Motors is garbage and switches him and his two daughters all into Ram truck drivers and then traded the wifes Suburban in for a Wrangler Unlimited and later on a Durango. Claims they make the best vehicles but trades them in every 2-3 years. Just a longwinded side story.

Thats what amazes me with so many loyal diehard GM guys leaving for Ram's when the quality is not there historically. I have a distant relative, his parents and in-laws family only bought GM trucks and SUV's for decades (wagons before the SUV's kicked in). He had a '99 Silverado that he bought new it turned 8 years old had over 150,000 miles on it and the transmission goes... Decides then anything made by General Motors is garbage and switches him and his two daughters all into Ram truck drivers and then traded the wifes Suburban in for a Wrangler Unlimited and later on a Durango. Claims they make the best vehicles but trades them in every 2-3 years. Just a longwinded side story.

 

The media in general seems to hate GM. So if one has an issue with a vehicle & GM recalls are headline news daily it makes it a little easier to switch if you are hell bent mad. Even though other mfg's barely get mentioned when they have the same or similar recalls/problems. Heck, FCA among others was refusing to recall vehicles in the past two years & nothing much in the media about it what so ever. Sure it may have made autonews or autoblog, but nothing main stream.

 

I know mfg's have to run a line between a vehicle meet compliance standards vs being able to turn a profit. But like in the Ford F150 crash test thread, if GM would have purposely left out supports for two of their three cab configurations it again would be on every online & paper news source. Obviously GM is not innocent. But it sure seems like there are different standards they are held to or scrutinized for.