Grumpy Bear

This one is getting there. Rust starting in ugly places and the transmission is hinting she's tired. Funny that recently it has dipped below the GM threshold for relief if it were still under warranty. They got themselves plenty of warranty shade. It's a ridiculous number the public is good with though. She's been a first class school room. Want to hear something funny? P420 codes are not yet obnoxious! Full SAPS oils for this long and the CATS are just hinting 95% efficiency and O2's are still working? There's a lesson in the lie of SAPS. A claim made the evidence does not support made without a means to test its validity. Just a guess. A theoretical guess. They call me crazy but the claim is harder to make on the data.

Current Experiment In this experiment, new motor, and after a few quick changes I settled in at 3,750 miles as an OCI. A changes with the same oil, same driver, same area of operation on the same fuel. The first sample ended in a color of 5.5 and has been backing up every change with the latest, yet to be processed, at a 2.5. Top TBN value is the VOA for the lot in use. Each subsequent number the proceeding UOA sample. Following the color the TBN depletion abated for three consecutive samplings. Wear metals, not shown, fell in a steady manor. (Show elsewhere is other threads.) OCI isn't steady but it is predictable. Short when new, longer as long as normal operations exist and short again when she's on the way out of service. If I had let this motor go to it's book 7.5K to 10K OCI's, that trip to the grave would have come sooner than is now likely. Sample currently in the lab and one more to get me on increments of 5K and I'm there. Then I'll watch that to set a trend line and adjust as data indicated.

Why does transmission fluid last so much longer than motor oil? You're going to feel silly. Because ATF doesn't have to deal with combustion contamination. Simpler said, blow-by. While you're nodding yes to that; did it dawn on you that blow-by is a state that differs in every motor and in the same motor over time? A motor with 3% new can end up at 30% at life's end. A well built motor can reach near zero but a poorly broken in new motor can be 15-18% out of the box. This it is different at part throttle than WOT? Some motors never see 'Winter', think Miami and Brownsville not Chi-town and the Big Apple. Others silly heat, think Phoenix and El Paso. Fuel dilution, GDI and little to none, MPFI. A guy that keeps a sharp tune and one who thinks plugs last forever. Grandma and the 2 mile trip to church and the sales guy for whom 500 miles a day is a given. The home wrench who is fanatical about maintenance and Aunt Tilly who does the dealership when an MIL lamp is lit. The kid who drives everywhere like he's responding to a five alarm fire and the retired guy that is always 5 under the limit. A standard OCI is a myth and one perpetuated by OEM's and Regulators to an end and not by the reality of operations. Book says, "Blah blah blah" or "The engineers know best". Right! What people don't know is amazing. No, what people believe is amazing. You have "experts" telling you there is such a thing and you trust that advice regardless of any and all of the above? A child could tell you that's Work the facts and the data, not the hype and the regulation.

I haven't published one of these in a good long time. This chart is just part of a much longer history. That last high consumption point at the far left is the last use of 5W30 in this motor. The remainder are Euro type 5W40's and the last point, still incomplete as the OCI is still in progress, 10W40 HM. It is a long way from right but it has moved from a quart in a thousand or more to between 2500 and 3000 per quart with a slight improvement each OCI. Point #53 is the last tune up. Current OCI is 750 miles into it and there is no color to the oil which is a MAJOR change in events. As reported earlier it has been measurably improving with each event. It isn't going to heal itself but this is much more manageable. Back to daily driver but still fairly local. 50 mile limit or so.

Yes, somewhere along the line we got to a point where if we could get enough support for a lie we thought we could will it into being true. Physics has either an opinion nor an agenda. It has consequences. Those consequences lead to failure and the insistence that we can avoid failure by a second attempt of bad advice is a good definition of stupid. Like believing there is education in the mules second kick.

Since the dawn of time man has put round things that turn on shafts and for just a long sought a medium to prolong the life of that assembly. Animal fat one of the first placed a viscous semifluid between between the two to both limit the number of ox required to pull that wagon and to prolong the life of the assembly. The key word here is viscous. Even the most early development of lubrication relied on placing a medium BETWEEN to the elements to ELIMINATE as much as possible their interaction promoting both the afore mentioned parameters. Viscosity keeps parts from touching other parts. But it can only do so if the parameters of Hersey are satisfied and there are some Hersey parameters that physically and practically can not be fully met. Change of direction in example. The reversal of the piston creates a zero velocity point at both extremes of it's Otto Cycle thankfully under low load. A less obvious example is the big end of the rod where due to articulation the crankpin and rod big end reverse directions twice in relation to each other. There are extreme pressure points that exceed the Hersey values for hydrodynamic and even boundary sets. Lifter lobe interface. This is were AW and EP additives earn their keep. But they do so in SUPPORT of viscosity and not in REPLACEMENT of viscosity. the motor will run just fine without them if the engineering is right. They just wont run as long and the motor wont be as efficient. This has always been and the science does not change because the regulation says so or designs says it wished it so. I've rabbit holed the gambit of cause and effect in several threads on the needs of the machine, of government and of popular belief. And we keep coming back to ignorant argument spewed from educated people for stupid reasons to the benefit of no one that actually is using the machine. The reduction of Sulphur, Phosphorus and viscosity satisfies the needs of regulators, government, producers and blenders, a host of websites and tribologist galore but...it works against the life of the machine. Politics and profit margins are not in play in a motor running down the road, physics is. The one that really is a disappointment is the tribologist. They know better. I could make excuses for them. They are forced by the prevailing powers to make the best of a bad situation. And that is true at every level. But what they do next.....they start to believe the crap they are shoveling. It would be just as easy and twice the benefit to tell the truth, explain the reason the truth can't be followed, maintain trust and tell us the NEXT BEST THING than can be done. But no...we must drink the Kool-Aid. Promote the agenda. Loyal to the people you work for instead of the people you serve. Regulation has painted lube science in a corner and with it left the tribologist holding the brush. I feel for them, I really do. Nothing that they can do about that condition but there absolutely is something that can be done about the lies told and the damage that it does. Tell the truth. It just isn't going to happen. For that, I have no sympathy and no friends. I'm good. The consumer isn't off the hook in this either. They don't want the problem fixed. If they did they then they wouldn't be driving what the drive at speeds they drive it at and work against regulation, environmental need and reason. They demand a mechanical solution, one that can not be done BTW, for a problem of their own creation so they can perpetuate the problem and do as they wish instead of as they ought. One they could facilitate with the ease of lifting the fat foot off the accelerator in a vehicle two thirds the mass. What we have here is a lot of self inflicted pain with a workable solution that is resisted by those the solution would most benefit and supported by a cancel culture from true expertise whose only goal is keeping all the marbles. The heck with what is true. When I call this stupidity out by throwing a truth rock in the dog pound, the dog it hits is the dog that yelps. Remove yourself from the pound and those rocks can hurt you. No one cares about what is in the pipeline a decade or two from now. What do I we have access to and how do we extract the best outcomes from what we mortals can get a grip on? Be useful....

That's isn't true! Really, it's a simple statement. "That isn't true!" It comes without support. Without proof. Without foundation. Without preface. Without more than the breath it is said with. And it sticks like glue. It unhinges decades of study by the smartest people to have ever lived. Desloges reason. Attempts to hold truth hostage. Decimates logic. Denies it's creator. It is in every practical sense, INSAIN. And yet...it is. You know what I do with that? Ignore it, and the people that generate it. The laws of the Universe. The originator of the universe. The founder of truth and the voice of reason doesn't much care if you believe in the those laws. He merely meets out punishing consequences for being ignorant of them, for ridiculing them, for the blatant stupidity of denial. Something I know about 'law', Universal Laws; they don't bend, break or waver in the face of such beliefs. They are not swayed by conviction. Not influenced by 'likes' or blushed ashamed by popularity. They can be relegated by technology to the back burner. They are the foundation of reality, sanity. They hear, "That isn't true" and reply with "S0 sad, I don't care". Me either. And because I hold this to be true I get results support by that law and in the face of any and all ridicule. Very little Assembly Required.

Moved to proper thread.

It isn't a defect either. Getting all butt hurt because you chose to be stupid????? OMG...Get a grip. Don't get me wrong. I don't read a word. Guys are just that predictable.

Technically my 'tire' is paid for on the installment plan.

Windows has a "Snipping Tool" application. I opened your PDF and Snipped the data I wanted to the clipboard. Then cut and paste to this reply. Is that helpful? Looks pretty clear on my screen. I am assuming you are running Windows 11

25,600 Mile Service Raven 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage 1.2 Three pot and JATCO CVT Pan drop and pan/magnet cleaning. 4 quarts Red Line Non-Slip CVT Fluid. This service is normally scheduled at 30K with all filters. I didn't change filters. Internal is a dog and cat catcher that was squeaky clean. The pan and magnets had nothing of consequences on them. The other filter is a cartridge protecting the valve body. Sort of a deal to get too. I'll catch it later. Reused the gasket. The pan, magnets and fluid were multiples cleaner than what I've seen from 10K units using Mitsubishi J4 Fluid. The fluid isn't a surprise. I change it often enough. But there was zip in the pan. No belt glitter, no clutch dust. Just a smear of lamp soot type coating. Like a candle on a mirror. And not much of that.

$2.17 - $3.00 around here. No idea why such a spread. The cheap one is close to me.

Bit over $3 most places. Creeping up again. No explanation.

Stupidity isn't a mental condition. It's a choice.

189,000 Mile Original OEM Tail Pipe What should it look like if I knew what I was doing?

A family tree is a amazing thing. Claim a person in the succession isn't real and an amazing thing happens. You now have to discredit several others and then several of several others as the tree branches. I watch Louis Gates Jr's show on genealogy. People beliefs are unmovable and oral histories infallible until they meet science and recorded history. Attacks on history and science to cancel them by those who have a need for it to be wrong and they, therefore to be right, for a laundry list of reasons, is mind numbing. Such is the assault on truth. It can be uncomfortable, it can be in convenient and yet it is. You are alive. Unless your argument is you don't exist then your forefathers exist and when in the search of you history you find a person that causes you to wince and wish it were not true, simply campaigning that they never existed or the circumstances of there life are unreal is to cast doubt your very being. That is special. Everything true undergoes irrational threat and attack. I have no friends who behave such. I've met people like that, but they are not friends. They are not MY enemies either. In a practical sense...they don't exist. And yet...they breath. How sad for them. How truly sad indeed. You can go back in the USA into the late 1600's and find written records of family lineages. A few hundred years more in Europe. Not much exist before that but rational thinking says the end of recorded history isn't the end of history. Yet some claim that a lack of secular history is proof some person, place or thing never existed or it didn't happen. They then by their own word subscribe to the idea that "The absence of evidence is evidence of absence". If they were held to that then when the family line ends due to a lack of records then they cease to exist. Their evidence is the breath they are drawing. The stupidity of humans is appalling. Nope, haven't a single person in my realm of friends that stupid.

I've started using the alarm panel to train myself to drive a CVT. RPM, road speed and manifold pressure limit alarms. A CVT was not on my gift to self list ever but they seem to be taking over and I could buy one cheap enough to sacrifice one to learn on. I'm more of a Ford Top Loader/Richmond 5 sort of guy. The one in the Mirage has a torque converter with a 10 mph lock up so leaves like a TH-350. And it has a two speed jackshaft system which goes low to high before 50. A belt Powerglide. I preconceived idea about how they would work on the road were pretty much wrong. The TCU is a learning system and adjust to your inputs. Not new but it is abrupt and quick to pick up bad habits if you allow it to. The Scan Gauge III system lets me train my ear and thus right foot to what is going on. I've made some simple input adjustments and it picked them up quickly and now it isn't much of a thought. I think I like these more than I thought I would and I love this iteration of the Scan Gauge although I do miss the performance section. If it has one, I haven't found it.

They look new The pair shown are not even the top draw of hand made Italian shoe. Those are about 3X that much. Mostly I wear cowboy boots and most of the time I buy at Blains. Lerado's, Cheap and pretty comfortable and even semi long wearing. But I also own several pairs of hand made to my feet Stewart's I was fitting for and the bucks they are made on are molds of my feet. Cross cut horse hide and they are like having nothing on your feet. There is no comparison. I also have a 35 year old pair of Stacey Adams Wingtips I wear weekly to Sunday services and gatherings out. I have six other pair of 'other' shoes that sit in the closet or live at the cobbler that are a fraction of the quality and all of the glitz. My father is the Champion of short oil change, good oil guys (Phillips Trop-Artic) and has done remarkable well with that strategy. He's also the first one to tell you that after seeing the internals of some of my motors in the 200,000 to 300,000 mile range that he wishes he had known and wishes he had his earlier cars with these boutiques I run and his brother runs. AMSOIL guy with the pair of million milers my Uncle. But today and at 96 he's running Supertech at 10K OCI's and bragging it up. Does he think it's better? Not on your life. He is forced to bend to his sub $700 a month SS payment. Necessity is laid upon him and he must save face. He also knows, and will admit, if only to me. "I'm 96! That Buick will outlast me with tap water in it" and he laughs like a Hyena. I get it, I really do get it. There are a million reasons to deny and ridicule and the majority of those reasons have nothing to do with reality. Everything to do with circumstances and knowledge and personalities....... We are going to continue to clash as long as circumstance, knowledge and personalities are being presented as the truth to wage against the truth. It's kind of what the thread is about. Go back and read the first entry. Train is on the tracks. Really, why would I give up on what is true?

I enjoyed posts #1 and found #9 very informative. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/boron-additives.57848/ You know when a lawyer in a big case demands 'discovery' to find a single document and the opposition who has the damning document and must comply dumps six semi truck trailers of document boxes on them? This is the white papers section. The right documents are there if you can look past the truckloads of distractions and the personality wars.

Large scale businesses do not extract or produce the best products or services. They leverage the maximum profit. And you may be saying, well Yea! But truth is, excellence doesn't often fall into the world of business. More in the arena of art or at times in pursuit of a solution to a plaguing problem whose roots don't extend directly into the commercial world but would have welcome application there more often than not. The bigger issue is that this sort of excellence can't compete well when the primary goal is margin growth. Great materials, excellence in manufacturing, no compromise engineering all cost money. That doesn't imply the inverse is true, if flat out screams it at the top of it's lungs. Pretty much defining the boutique industries in any flavor you care to name. The difference between these Stefano Borella's shoes at $700 a pair are not the same quality, fit or feel as a $ 90 Sketcher. When I hear someone claim the inferior _________ (fill in the product) is 'just as good', my skin crawls. When I hear "No one will pay". I wonder if they bumped there heads. There is a market for quality products, there are only those telling you you that you don't need it or it won't make a difference. I've owned a dozen pair of Stewart hand made boots and I pay dearly for them. I still buy Sketchers too. But I never make the mistake of thinking one is as good as the other, that I'm wasting my money or I don't deserve that sort of quality in my life. EVERY product has it's top and bottom and the faction telling you that motor oil is an exception is exceptionally determined to defend that thought. It is indefensible but attempt they will.

Raspberry Season! In the middle of I understand. Commercial fruit, by and large, is hit and miss and this morning it was a full on bullseye. A fluke I expect. Driscoll, a major commercial brand the wife happened upon a quart picked like you would if you cultivated them yourself. At the absolute peak of perfection. Of course I didn't know this I as cleaned and halved a half-dozen to place with a coined banana dead yellow and in that lovely spot between starch and sugar that were dusted with a hint of graded cinnamon and complimented with a teaspoon of fig. The combination was a perfect bite. Not since childhood on my Uncle Dee's Arkansas dairy farm have I tasted a raspberry like that and the paring was mystical. It's nice to blunder into perfection once in awhile. Wondering off topic a bit but parallel.... We watched a documentary on Thomas Jefferson this week. I didn't know he was an avid Gardner. That aside comment was made that in that garden 200 different vegetables were grown. Berries I never heard of and multiple verities of apples and peaches and pears. Guy liked to experiment as he fancied himself a scientist and was not bounded by conventions of education as a marker of his worth nor the approval of any man to validate it, although his home education and formal was astounding. Greek and Latin by 6 years of age? OMG. English is hard enough. LOL> Anyway, while amazed I also became a bit sad. 200 different vegetables??? Less than two dozen are available at the local market, less that half are regulars and a few more in season during the farmers market late harvest season. Is there a better example of what happens to everything when $$$$ becomes the prime driver of your endeavor? Money does not extract the best products or services. It extracts the most profitable ones. Sad that....

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Texas, New Mexico and North Carolina. Three "Once in a thousand year events" in a week.