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\ Good write up above, these trucks are mainly issue free, when you sell thousands there is bound to be issues and a lot of that is probably attributed to abuse or neglect. Doubtful injectors are included in the powertrain warranty but would be on the bumper to bumper. The powertrain warranties are usually for things internal to the engine only, those warranties across most manufactures are a joke, because within 100k miles very few motors are blowing up. With that said at purchase or even after purchase you can buy a GM and only buy a GM extended warranty that does cover more things. I would never own a diesel without a warranty, but with that said I typically dont own things for more than 3-4 years, and buying an extended warranty at purchase is dumb if you ask me. I have a 21 diesel now and have gone back and forth with diesels over the years, they haul nice and the control with the heavier frame is great. But Im actually trading in my 21 tomorrow for a 2500 gasser, loved the diesel but just dont use it enough to justify the 10k upcharge, and more costly maintenance and fuel. With that gasser I should get the same control and handling but will miss out on the power of the diesel. But then again I only haul something worthy probably 10-15times a year.

Yeah its kind of sketchy at times, dad and family all worked with GM and myself have been using the employee discount for 20 years, I have heard it all from dealers from they wont take it, to my dad who gives me the discount had to have had to buy a vehicle himself in the last year, to i have to trade in a vehicle to use it. Truth is GM is kind of gray on this and really doesn't police it up. Other reality is some dealers just dont see it a lot and are ignorant. The other reality is dealers pretty much get MSRP from GM when the discount is used, its a little shy but not by much, so really is good deal to them and is a good business practice. But if they accept they can not get over MSRP. The other truth is the friends and family discount is only invoice minus 2% I believe where as the employee discount is invoice minus 8% I believe. In normal times you can usually negotiate a deal the same or better then the friends and family discount, and that discount is sort of garbage, but right now with no incentives or bargaining it is pretty good. Most people need to realize there is not huge margins on new vehicles and your not going bargain thousands and thousands off beyond rebates and such. When coming to a number with a dealer and you are not using the GM discount, set aside incentives as GM typically reimburses the dealer for those. With that said the starting point for you the buyer is invoice and work down from there, invoice is not a good deal. Once you come to the lowest numbers you tack on incentives and rebates.

shocks are probably stiffer, and in honesty the Z71 package has been a joke for a long time. There might be minimal differences in ride quality etc, but nothing you will ever notice.

I know the price is set by GM, well sort of. a dealer pays GM invoice price minus holdback, which in case you didnt know how to get that. Take 3 % of MSRP, then minus that from invoice and thats typically what a dealer actually pays for the vehicle minus any special hidden incentives that GM is giving that a dealer typically wont tell or show you. Of course a dealer is free to sell something for whatever they want. In the end a dealer is a wholesaler and buys a truck from GM and then sells it to you, and while a dealer is affiliated with GM they are not owned in anyway by GM at least in most cases. Price protection is bunk again dealer is pulling your chain on that specially when you look at the details of what GM is offering by their price protection

Dont feel to bad my 22 that was built a week before production for 23s is getting the 1500 onstar garbage as well. I was in the same boat at you had an order in for a starting in Jan, got pushed along and I finally cancelled it in June, fell into the exact truck i wanted being built July 11th, picking it up Friday a 22, so only had to wait 4 weeks which was crazy. With that said the 23 would have cost about 4k more for the same truck, 1500 for the onstar and 2500 for the annual price jump. The price protection is gone at this point, and that really isnt a thing anyways, dealers pulling your chain on that one.

Probably but I dont blame them. If I was business would I allocate resources the very little I have to sell something for 100 bucks or 50 bucks, only makes sense.

No but they are leveling, they really havent been climbing but stayed the same. They wont dip until the lots get half full or more with new vehicles and we are still 6-12 months out from that could even more unless car purchasing takes a slump.. The issue is guy goes in for a new truck, dealer says 6-12 months, but I have this its cheaper then new(not by much as new used vehicles are a terrible buy right now) and they get bought. Vehicle sales are only down about 10% from last year this time, and holding strong month to month even through high gas prices. Was thinking gas prices would have knocked things down, but the economy still has way to much cash in it. Manufactures are a year behind if not more really, like I said things have leveled but they wont go down for another year IMO, and even then they wont go back to where they were.

Long story short had an order in canx and found one that I wanted being produced sooner, TPW was 11 JULY, truck was on a truck 4 hours away Friday expect delivery today. Its a 2022 2500 At4, window sticker shows the $1500 onstar for years, yeah what a joke. Dealer claimed they werent sure that GM was going to force that on the 22, but looks like my truck was a week away from being a 23. So not sure if I will be made to pay it or not. But if I am forced to pay for it, it better come with the works, and I cant find what its coming with, other crappy part is 1500 for three years is nuts.

MSRP plus any incentives is all your going to get. Right now there isnt any incentives, so yes MSRP is the best deal you can get. That may change soon but I think we are still 6-12 months out on that as demand is still way above supply. Next summer it will be different. You can search for things like military discount or google around some as you can get a few bucks here and there based off some clubs or memberships that you belong to.

Got an At4 coming wasnt my order but found it and has everything but the wheels I want. Just have a thing against 18in wheels these days. Anyways I have seen plenty of trucks with the 1st 20in option for wheels. But I cant find any pictures of the $3100 wheel option for the At4 think its on denali too. Havent seen any of the 20in all black option either. Anybody have these on trucks or real pictures that would be great, trying to get these ready and bought for swap at the dealer. Side note anybody that wants the 18in wheels off the at4 2500, PM they will be 0 mile takes off

In the same boat. I have a feeling for some or maybe all it will never happen. Then at trade in time your truck is worth 5k less

some of you I think I would just move to a different brand or look for a different dealer.

The 22 I have on order, was just produced the built sheet shows folding pwr folding mirrors. Mine is an At4. so hard to say. 23s are probably going to cost 3-4k more for the same truck.

Question on 21-22 AT4 Wheels 1. Anybody have pictures of their 21-22 with the stock 18in wheels 2. There three other 20in wheel options, one is all black, dont need or want that. But looking for pictures of the other two options and the color of the lug nuts

From what I gather it’s the mandatory 1500 charge now. And the truck it’s self is around 2200 more give or take. So I think taking the 22 is the better option otherwise waiting for the 24 redesign

Thanks. I order most vehicles and from the 3800 series it has always seems to be 2-4 weeks As of yesterday I went from 3400 to 3800. I am expecting it here by mid August.

can you provide this info. Truck I found is coming with 18s and want to buy OEM 20s and put them on

Ok just trying to get a feel from people who have picked up their truck in the last 4-8 weeks. Long story short have an order in for a truck that hasnt been picked up yet. Fell into a truck at another dealer for a truck that is everything i want minus one thing. As of yesterday it was at 3400 with a TPW of 11 JUL. So I would guess that truck probably goes 3800 next week. SO kind of playing two dealers right now. the one on order not picked up will be a 23 but due to the potential 23 cost increase and the rumored 1500 onstar charge now, will probably cost 3-4k more than the 22 that I have my name on at the other dealer. Anyways anyways kind of wondering what time frame people are seeing from 3800 to delivery. Dealer is quoting 6-8 weeks, normally in the past when I ordered it was 2-4 weeks. To be upfront I value input but if you havent recevied a truck in the last month or two, your delivery time wont really be relevant to my situation.

Manufactures just arent going to work with your aftermarket upgrades anymore, and in a way I dont blame them in a way. Have to google it but the manufactures continue to chip away with lawsuits on trying to make their ECUs proprietary, thus if you touch it would be a crime. They are getting close to making this happen.

yeah if that’s the case then I have the non hd and it’s grainy. My wife’s Acadia Denali which is a 21 is much better. like I said that bedview doesn’t work at night and is grainy during the day and stays on like 6 seconds. Pointless if you ask me I got a Mirror

Not really. I have 16k miles and maybe filled it up 3-4 times. It’s a cost your right not denying that but it’s not crazy.

8-12 weeks good luck.

To help you out the bed view camera sucks. Can’t see anything at night it’s black. Only stays in for maybe 5-6 seconds at a time. Depends what you use it fire but it’s a waste if you ask me

I have a 21 so same deal. Guess I really havent let it sit running while its hot out for cold starts. I suppose between moving coolant and the AC function it could kick on

lol yeah there is no validity in that prior statement.