Remote Start Of The Future

[tobias]

Notice they are controlling a GMC Acadia. Let's hope Delphi makes this happen.

 

http://gizmodo.com/343478/iphone-controls-...concept-web-app

 

Daddy

[minibike132]

AWESOME more s***t to break. Job security. I'm gonna need a telcom and IT licenses pretty soon. I love spending 15 hours a week training so this is good news for me.

[tobias]

AWESOME more s***t to break. Job security. I'm gonna need a telcom and IT licenses pretty soon. I love spending 15 hours a week training so this is good news for me.

 

I guess I am partial to gadgetry as I work at a Software Development company but in this instance, it's really only a web page that is being accessed through an iPhone. I'm hoping this thing is interacting with the new Advanced Two-Way Remote system we've heard so much about although you are probably right, there is probably a ton of s**t to add to the vehicle itself.

 

I think it's cool nonetheless.

 

Daddy

[Darkanion]

They mentioned BlueTooth in the video. So, maybe that plugs into GMLAN and interacts with the truck that way? I haven't read-up on BlueTooth.. What kind of range does it have?

[tobias]

They mentioned BlueTooth in the video. So, maybe that plugs into GMLAN and interacts with the truck that way? I haven't read-up on BlueTooth.. What kind of range does it have?

 

About 30'. That's right, I recall hearing Bluetooth in the video. Let me go back and listen again.

 

Daddy

[jrrod2004]

depends on the class:

 

Class 1 100 mW (20 dBm) ~100 meters

Class 2 2.5 mW (4 dBm) ~10 meters

Class 3 1 mW (0 dBm) ~1 meter

[Darkanion]

depends on the class:

 

Class 1 100 mW (20 dBm) ~100 meters

Class 2 2.5 mW (4 dBm) ~10 meters

Class 3 1 mW (0 dBm) ~1 meter

 

100m could work...

[tobias]

They mentioned BlueTooth in the video. So, maybe that plugs into GMLAN and interacts with the truck that way? I haven't read-up on BlueTooth.. What kind of range does it have?

 

About 30'. That's right, I recall hearing Bluetooth in the video. Let me go back and listen again.

 

Daddy

 

 

If it does rely on Bluetooth for connectivity to the vehicle that thing will only be good for diagnostics, really. It would definitely be cool to see trouble codes, etc. on a portable device like that but from the standpoint of a remote starter, it would not be practical. Hopefully he's just an executive pulling buzzwords out his ass and that thing, in it's final iteration, will work over the internet and/or EDGE (for now, at least until the iPhone goes 3G) and connect with the vehicle diagnostics system that already exists on most new GM's. Obviously it is all speculation based on a 30 second video clip but the possibility of getting all of that functionality from something almost all of us carry around in our pockets (web-enabled phones) already intrigues me.

 

I'll see if I can't do some research and find some more information.

 

Daddy

[jrrod2004]

100m = 300+ feet, probably better than GM's factory remote start and more secure.......to be exact:

 

328.08399 feet

[tobias]

depends on the class:

 

Class 1 100 mW (20 dBm) ~100 meters

Class 2 2.5 mW (4 dBm) ~10 meters

Class 3 1 mW (0 dBm) ~1 meter

 

100m could work...

 

 

I guess I never looked into the specs on the iPhone and assumed that the Class 2, 30' range was mutual between the headset and the phone but it may simply be a limitation of the headset itself. A 20dBm transceiver would have to chew up some battery though or they'd use them in the headsets, I'd think. Some more for me to research tonight. I will say though that my wife has an iPhone and I don't usually see her phone as an available Bluetooth device from the MBP I am on right now.

 

I am interested in what devices actually use the Class 1 transceiver. Was looking briefly and saw that in some cases with special antennas, transmissions had been captured at up to a mile.

 

Daddy

[jrrod2004]

not to be geeky:

 

It has to be noted that in most cases the effective range of class 2 devices is extended if they connect to a class 1 transceiver, compared to pure class 2 network. This is accomplished by higher sensitivity and transmitter power of the Class 1 device. The higher transmitter power of Class 1 device allows higher power to be received by the Class 2 device. Furthermore, higher sensitivity of Class 1 device allows reception of much lower transmitted power of the Class 2 devices. Thus, allowing operation of Class 2 devices at much higher distances. Devices that use a power amplifier on the transmit, have improved receive sensitivity, and highly optimized antennas are available that routinely achieve ranges of 1km within the Bluetooth Class 1 standard.

 

 

I have a class 1 with a bluetooth apple keyboard on my pc and that works everywhere in the house........If i plug in the apple adaptor, the range drops down quick because it is only a class 2

 

 

the acadia could have the class 1 roof mounted and a class 2 (Iphone, Palm, WM6) could work.........

[2000DV4.8]

not to be geeky:

 

It has to be noted that in most cases the effective range of class 2 devices is extended if they connect to a class 1 transceiver, compared to pure class 2 network. This is accomplished by higher sensitivity and transmitter power of the Class 1 device. The higher transmitter power of Class 1 device allows higher power to be received by the Class 2 device. Furthermore, higher sensitivity of Class 1 device allows reception of much lower transmitted power of the Class 2 devices. Thus, allowing operation of Class 2 devices at much higher distances. Devices that use a power amplifier on the transmit, have improved receive sensitivity, and highly optimized antennas are available that routinely achieve ranges of 1km within the Bluetooth Class 1 standard.

 

 

Uh... was that english? I have NO idea what you just said.

[jrrod2004]

 

sorry I tried.....

[2000DV4.8]

sorry I tried.....

 

 

I'm sure everything you said was right, I just know nothing about computers or bluetooth or whatever.

 

I always thought bluetooth was what happened after you ate blueberry Jello.

[Darkanion]

Uh... was that english? I have NO idea what you just said.

 

I think the jist of what he was saying is that the Class 1 (100m) receiver is more sensitive than the Class 2 (10m) receiver. So, even though the Class 2 (10m) device can only transmit for ~30ft, the Class 1 (100m / 300+ft) receiver can still hear it and communicate with it.

 

Did I get that right, Mike?