Grumpy Bear

I've noticed this inescapable urge of humans to be 'right' even when they are wrong, especially when wrong, and of the depths to which they will go to prove themselves so. There is no amount of volume possible that will cut through a contemptuous heart. That would require respect for truth. I've noticed we no longer need proof when we can hurl accusation to the same affect. And what is that? To get people to believe _______. It's possible to distain laws of men and be righteous. Sometimes we make silly laws. But distain for natural law....that's the very definition of stupid. Think I'll stand in front of a speeding train to prove F=ma as incorrect. Or just say Newton is an idiot and you can get the masses to believe that too. Hersey is wrong. Stribeck and idiot. You can escape the truth but not it's consequences Gravity is older than Newton. Old as matter, and it won't change just because it's old. It will never be irrelevant. Chemistry will not make Hersey/Stribeck irrelevant either.

So I got tagged with an email that someone is tugging my shirttail for attention or I wouldn't even know this thread existed. That's the thing about being on someone's "Ignore" list. They don't see your @******. But since someone thinks this needs my attention let me be clear....it does not. Now they know it too. No more than I'm going to give it in this post. I don't tell people what to do. I share an education. I share observations. l share measurements and data and what I find and online and what I buy that isn't protected. I share my thoughts about that data. I share perspective base on those factors. Sometimes I get pissy about someone telling me I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. Not hearing what I'm hearing, didn't measure what I measured, and that my work experience and education are invalid. I came to GM-truck.com to GET and education about the K2** truck bought and about it's care and feeding and if possible share the above paragraph. You know what I got... that isn't a question. It's a declarative statement. Nothing useful! I don't guess. I measure. I analyze data and graph it. I draw the conclusions the data indicates. I've been PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED to do this. I share until it becomes unworthy of that effort. That threshold has been met. I pay dearly for my education. Still do. I get ZERO help from those that could and don't or won't. Every mistake I make I pay for. I OWN my mistakes and share them in hopes of preventing others from repeating them. My return on that investment has been "Bait and Bat". Using those mistakes as ammunition to undermine an honest effort and discredit that information. And now I'm asked to pay for the mistakes of others. I what world would anyone think I should concern myself with helping anyone else? I have a program. It works. If I wanted someone else's results I'd follow their program. Oh,...wait....I did that and got BURNED. So...whatever this was...it isn't. i EXPECT your continued efforts to blow up every thread I start. So...the floor is yours.

Education is expensive, eh? Bet you don't ignore it twice. You made almost 100K trouble free miles and I'd bet @Silverado4x4 nailed it.

A lot of knee jerking going oh, eh?

I could get comfortable with this technology if they would just move the high pressure pump out of the freaking crankcase. Fire is fire. Matters not where but gas in the oil at these levels is silly. When the pump seal lets go that dilution rate is 8% or more and will kill viscosity one to two full grades in a heartbeat. No favors done for lubricity either.

It's also an injection timing and duration thing that prevents detonation. Very close to TDC to a few degrees. Can't boom if it isn't there.

All but two now solidly back over $3. They will follow shortly. There's about 6 Shell stations within my circle and as many Mobil. 5 of those Shell stations sell V Power Nitro + for under $4 a gallon. The remaining Shell and all the Mobil satiations are 18 to 20 PERCENT higher. Average 70 cents a gallon higher and they are scattered across all the same areas. Everyone else, Marathon, BP, quick shop stations that have premium are also about $4 or a bit less. All the Shell stations are supplied by the same tanker outfit from the same terminal. I know the guy and they all get charged the same price.

Yes I peeked. Sue me. Solid point BTW.

Valvomax, leak? I have these on five units and two on the few that can. None leak. Spring loaded ball check. Nothing to leak. Only place it could leak is the same place a drain plug could leak. The base washer. Even the cap is sealed, "O" ring, same as your oil filter. And oil doesn't blow forward. But yes, a good cleaning, and watch or even use a dye to find the source.

What makes you think that? Does it use oil? Low oil pressure?

21,300 Mile Service 2014 Buick Verano (Prissy) wife named her. 2.4 Ecotec I-4 2,700 mile OCI but more than a year in the motor. It was time. This motor uses no oil that one can measure. 4 quarts 24 ounces Red Line "International" HP 5W30 + 3.5 oz ZDDP I Mobil 1 filter. That was the last of my plant swap International stock. It was a one time label. I expect it, by labs, is the Euro oil in universal packaging. Yes those are the original miles. She doesn't get out much. Garage kept sunny day car or long haul touring ride.

Fuel dilution. GDI motors have a ridiculous amount of fuel dilution. Hyper rich cold start mixtures to burn fuel in the cats to get them up to heat is one. Another is GDI doesn't vaporize, it atomizes fuel and only vapor burns. Now shortly after injection it vaporizes but not before flooding the top ring land and washing the oil off. Some say, like Total Seal that the top ring area dilution rate is upwards of 15%! Oil is what makes the seal. Not the ring. No seal, liquid fuel gets into the crankcase where it is hot enough to put it into vapor and the hope was PCV systems would evacuate it but at 2 to 4% no system is large enough. On cool down the fuel condenses and form deposits IF it isn't held in solution in the oil. Non-polar oils will hold a small fraction of this in solution IF the OCI is very short and the more polar the oil the more it holds. That doesn't mean in a GDI that if it's four times more polar you can lengthen the OCI by four because the oil is already two to three times behind in solvency. Back to those fuel deposits. After cooling on the rings and in the lands on the next heat cycle they COOK to a hard carbonaceous gook. What is left over in the oil attacks the oil, breaking it down for a second go around at more deposits. Solvency and dilution. Those are the tools you have. Drivers who never turn a key for under a hundred miles of open road driving get away with more than the short hauler whose oil never gets hot enough long enough to be effective. If boutiques are not your cup of tea there are some branded labels with 25% or more organic ester (estolides) content. Here's a rabbit out of the hat for those that demand a DEXOS1Gen3 license GM DEXOS License # D335BMDI089 https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=653419&docFormat=PDF RLI is a boutique that is similar. No license but more estolide content. (more polar) Neither will FIX a hurt motor but both are good at keeping it clean once you have that managed. And 5W30 is on the menu. Don't expect them to run as long in service as a high ester content oil but they are polar enough to be a big improvement. Start 3 to 4K and get some labs...or don't....

This is a common experience across multiple engine platforms. Didn't use any for tens of thousands of miles and now uses a bunch in under 80K miles. Your consumption rate at a quart in 2,667 miles is just above the point the OEM will do anything at all. I've gone down this rabbit hole myself and it stinks. Assemble this. If this were purely a design issue then why not use from the start and why take 30 to 80K miles to show itself? Because that is how long it takes for the internals to acquire enough deposits to interfere with normal operations. Dry DEXOS licensed oils will not and can not prevent this at OEM recommended OCI's. Not even at 2/3 the recommended intervals. Two to three thousand oil change intervals....maybe. Maybe. Deposits high enough to cause consumption (rings) also interfere with proper operation and accelerate bore and ring and ring land wear. When the OEM does something, pistons and rings is the practice. Valvoline R&P may reverse this and it may not. It will clean it but it can't reverse wear issues. Time will tell and give it time. Perhaps as long as 40K to reap maximum reward. But improvement in consumption, if there is going to by any, should start to show itself in half that time. Be patient. Polar oils could prevent this but are not DEXOS approved. Damage done, as many are experiencing, has happened by the time your warranty has expired. Often irreversible. Cost twice as much. Last twice as long. Net equal cost and they keep your motor clean. RAVENOL (some product lines), Red Line HP and HP Euro. AMSOIL SS and Euro. Torco SR-5, Penrite (some product lines) even MPT30K for the year around hot weather areas. Depending on XOM's mood and product cycles there are at time even offerings from Mobil 1 with enough polarity to be useful. YMMV.

Rapid Disassembly Possible. You want to run 1 cP oil? Have at. You want to run 350 F? Be my guest. Do you believe in 'forever fills". Wow, glad I'm not you or your powertrain. You want to make irrational arguments about make believe worlds of lubrication regimes? Enjoy the show. I like fireworks. BMW 10W60 for the E46, M3 and E60. Ford Mustang 5W50. Camaro ZL1. 5W40. Porsche? 5W40/5W50 in the fast sporting stuff. Now what do these bonehead engineers know your run of the mill CLE doesn't? Evidently allot. Like lubricating an engine on 1 to 3 micron of oil journal film is DUMB. I will trade fuel economy for engine life all day every day and twice on days ending in Y. But hey, that's me. Again....Hersey. Speed, Load and Viscosity and viscosity is ruled by...TEMPERATURE. You don't have to run fast to run hot. You need a engineer to call out a 207 to 220 F water thermostat, 197 F TBV and no oil/fluid coolers. Just heaters. GM has been backpedaling since 2015 on viscosity and cooling. Ops. Stepped over the line..... OR keep up with the current trend of self destruction. Rapid disassemble is certainly possible. They like your money.

In my house it was the start of the fight. I didn't take it then, I don't, take it now. I did get hit allot.

How much Assembly is Required? So I finally got a fluid temp gauge installed on the CVT in Raven. Some others in the Mirage Forum I'm in have had them for awhile using a different application and device. I've spent enough on that sort of thing. OMG do these things run hot!! So the CEL gets tossed at about 258 F and goes into limp mode at 265 F. That's factory. Factory is also a Group II/III blend fluid and 87 C thermostat and not real fluid cooler. More of a fluid heater, attemperator. Some of these guys, living southern US are running 80+ and towing with a vehicle that has zero towing capacity. Even have a member who went into limp mode on the drive home breaking her in at 85 mph. Lord help that poor car. Seems Joe Average who monitors this parameter is steady over 225 F even in Canada. One member has installed a trans cooler and with a more moderate set of habits his his under 200 F...just. Others in the South West US shudder to look. 230 to 250 F desert crossings. And we have a power train engineer that has worked for three major Asian auto makers telling us they are set up to die by 150 K. No cooler, mineral oil, no direction or guidance. Not dash monitoring other than an OH CRAP CEL. Long drain intervals. Internal fluid decay monitoring to deny warranty claims. Resettable only by the factory tool. Stupid expensive maintenance cost. I'm not listing all I've done to work this out but in my day to day I'm under 185 F and haven't installed a cooler yet. But it's coming. I'll get it under 175 F on my worst day before I'm done. And I'll get what I always get. A long trouble free service life with few limitations. Fluid life and a factory OCI of 30K with temps routinely over 225F Russian Roulette anyone? Parts is parts. CVT or conventional, all have converters, clutches, valve bodies and seals and the fluid has no idea what machine it is in.

Living a year now with the electric saw and even larger fells and love it so much we bought the blower and string trimmer. Best part? I don't have to have ridiculous arguments over how some believe branded $40 a gallon fuel is somehow better than equally performing $10 hand mix.

Let me Assemble that for you. What does an oil Formulator do? Not the workhorse formulators and blenders but the research guys trying to get ICE's to run reliably on 0W8 fluids? He's looking for a workaround to LAW. In this case Stribeck. He's trying to uncouple Hersey from FRICTION & WEAR. Silly really because friction and wear are already uncoupled. Says so right on the chart. Once there is enough viscosity to keep parts from touching parts wear is zero. The trick is that word enough. Enough depends on Hersey and Hersey has conditions that need to be met to keep things apart. Hersey has three components. Velocity, Viscosity and Surface Finish Height. Every finish new lacquer? Orange peel. Removing it requires sanding and that is done in stages working from rough to smoother grits and once down to the finest grits we use polishes to make the surface even smoother and if you get it smoot enough water will bead on it and sheet off without the use of hydrophobics like wax. Water has a viscosity of 1 cP. What is the point? The surface height near zero will not 'wet' and when it can't wet it can't lubricate. It's why your bore has a crosshatch and why those that don't use oil. There is a limit to how smooth a surface can be and the limit has been with us as a LAW since the dawn of time. But if wear reduction is the goal can't we just make it harder? Same principle applies. There is a limit to hardness. That limit was found nearly a hundred years ago. So...if we have been at the limits of hardness and smoothness for a long time then there is also a limit to viscosity reduction. And that has been studied to death and isn't changing. Which brings us back to FORMULATORS. EP and AW additives. That's the hubbub. We didn't always know about them so we didn't always have them or rely on them which meant service life was limited by wear. And boy do we have a selection to work with now and developing more all the time. But...they to have limits. One of those limits is toxicity and environmental impact. So we now live in a world where we are driving down viscosity and driving down AW/EP additives and we've made it as smooth and as hard as possible and we want more. And we have lengthened OCI's to past the point where the formulations are serviceable. What is the next step? Well kids, we've already taken that step too. Move the expectations goal post. Backward a hundred years. We now live in a throw away society. It's isn't good for the machine but is great for business. That goal post is measurable and they hope manageable. That is marketing's new job is expectation management Just shorten Time How are they doing? What are your service life expectations? I'll bet 20 years isn't on your dance card. Most people can't imagine living with a machine for 200K miles. They are ready to trade at the end of warranty, 60K miles!! About half the service life of my cars from the 1960's! Machines aren't better (from a wear standpoint) . Oil isn't better and getting worse. Expectations are just lower. As long as I have access I have tools to work against this foolishness I will. After that I ride a horse.

Block Pore Testing ISO 4406-99 There is this idea that the ISO 4406-99 block pore test is useless because 1.) the oil is dark and 2.) what is captured are additives like Moly. Block pore is done by measuring the TIME it takes a volume of sample to pass a screen (sieve) of a particular mesh. An algorithm then calculates the ppm at that particle size. that algorithm is base on known measurements of weighed samples (tests done to standardize the test) in clean oils. Myth #1 busted. Time can't measure color and a sieve can't filter it. It is an ISO professionally recognized standard benchmark. Colloidal additives, like Moly, are of such fine size, typically 0.05 to 0.3 micron as not to be captured in the finest 4.0 micron sieves used in the ISO 4406-99 Test which is the finest screen used in this test. Others (additives) are in solution and as a solution would require RO type filtration. That is 0.0001 micron to remove. AMSOILS EaBP bypass systems filter down to 2 micron at 98.75 efficiency. Is AMSOIL saying their filter strips the additives from their oils? Can it be tricked by air in the sample? Yea, if the operator is an idiot. What can happen in a high school lab and what does happen in a certified lab is quite different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid https://www.freepurity.com/pages/micro-ultra-nano-and-reverse-osmosis-filtration-whats-the-difference Now, particle counters can be tricked by dark oils. PQ Index https://en.oelcheck.com/wiki/pq-index/ Dimensionless number. Almost always under 25 in a healthy motor that tells you nothing, until it does, and even then can't tell you much but "Oh crap". It's an idiot light test. More useful for more forgiving gear boxes and diffs than engines. Speed Diagnostics uses a hand held to tell you if there is iron over 10 micron present. If so, and it is rare, the other quantitative test are possible. ASTM D5185 MOD https://testoil.com/data-interpretation/introduction-elemental-spectroscopy/ The test is deadly in the 0 to 5 micron range but will detect to @ 10 micron. Stating otherwise is just untruthful. Thus the usefulness of Speed Diagnostics 'one hitter'. Again there are other quantitative test for abnormal results. Your lab, if it is a good one, will advise further testing and methods if applicable. Summary. Block pore is an indication of filtration effectiveness. Nothing more, nothing less and it is useful if extended life is your goal. GM test studies used this test!

I couldn't even make out what she was saying. Was I supposed to be offended?

TCM logging took twice as long. Didn't get it in until late tonight so not until Monday I'd expect.

They've had me data log twice now and today requested a third with a different logging version targeting the TCM. Tenacious is good.

You find it yet?

Indeed. Who? So question. How does that work? Everyone having their own facts? Different alphabet, dictionary, grammar, number system, physical laws, moral law, equations, math system, history, definitions for color, texture, or none........ We each chose which side of the road to drive on. Some chose murder as moral. The PURGE. How does it work? How do we communicate? How do we survive? How do we learn and teach? How do we get treated for cancer? Heart issues? What do we say about the value of currency? A fair scale? How many first causes can be first? What are the value of law and principle? Why bother with enforcement or prevention? How does that work? And even if one could tell me how would you if we all have our own facts?

So trans temp for my Mitsubishi was not displaying correctly. Hit up the hot line and shortly they contacted me for a data log. All done by WIFI. These guys will work with you to solve issues with your system. FYI.