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Our GMC dealer keeps hitting me up asking if I want to trade in on a 2.7HO 2022 crew cab. I do, but I don't want anything to do with their 5-6K "Market Adjustments". They can keep them for that. It's hard to keep saying no though, I'm ready for a new truck (I always am).

Rofl holy crap he’s saying he gets to compare E-85 because the 2.7 has a turbo, which is the whole point. He can’t see it anyway since I called him out over multiple threads about his lies by omission but this conversation twisting takes the cake. How delusional can an individual truly be. Hey, Grumpy, for your chart, is that stock thermostat, stock torque converter, stock oil weights, and intact towing configuration? No? You left that part out conveniently, didn’t you. [emoji23]

Oh look, another lie by omission. "Pepper" is not a stock 4.3, it's modified in a way that it can no longer perform its factory rated tasks. Stop pretending. "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." - Proverbs 6:16-19

Nope, you proved duct tape won’t fix that. That’s why you posted evidence backing up what they said regarding hypermiling. “Old men are wise. Wise old men know when their wisdom has become irrelevant.” “Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.” -Henry Ford

Yep he loves to go around pretending that 4.3L is the savior of mpg and capable of anything this “NASA grade” engine is, when he changes the oil weights to specs that makes the engine unusable at max capacity, hypermiles his speed, and does other modifications in his thread to get that number. It’d be fine if he at least but a * disclaimer around his numbers and otherwise just quoted the fuel numbers that he got in his first month of ownership.

I think whole tank distance or at least the 450 mile setting is the only reasonable long term mileage. If I do my once a 3 month trip on the I highway for 25 miles, my 50 mile average is amazing (about 23-24mpg). Otherwise, my 450 mile average is 16.2mpg, which is far more realistic to the hand calculation over a tank of 95% city driving.

Wow I wish, my 5.3 was an average lifetime speed of 28mph, pretty much all city driving, and it’s 450mile average was always about mid 16mpg, even worse in the winter with the idling. Only way it could get above that was some highway driving, but most weeks it would never get above 50mph. Of course, I only looked at the 450 mile average. I find anything less to be far too optimistic of a number.

I agree, it is a derogatory term. However, I meant the sound it conveys. Your definition aside, a 6000RPM 5.3L on an on-ramp doesn’t sound throaty or powerful, it doesn’t sound like a Ford 534 or a Vortec 8100. It sounds strung out and winded.

I don’t think anyone is expecting to use the 10L90, but the design is there because the 10L90 exists. Just like the F-150 uses the 10R80 and the super duty uses the 10R140. Or the Ranger T6 using the 6R80 while the F-750 with 50,000lb GCWR uses the 6R140. Since they developed the 10 speed with Ford, I would expect GM to be capable of adapting it to a HD truck just like Ford was.

Everyone always has their own opinion because everyone experiences the vehicles they own differently from someone else. If we’re going strictly by warranty repairs and then out of warranty repairs, my Fords Expedition and Ranger have been number 1 and number 2, Buick Verano at 3, Silverado at 4, a GMC Canyon at 5 and a Dodge Dart at 6. Hand down both my fords were more reliable than any GM product I’ve owned. It’s also my person opinion that in the half ton market, GM didn’t even show up to the party with the last two generations of trucks when it came to luxury. And only now, just barely. Then again, I will gladly drive anything that puts a smile on my face. I couldn’t give a darn what badge is on the nose. All of the brands will screw you given the chance. Doesn’t pay to have any loyalty.

Woo boy aren’t you a worthless shill. Where did I say YouTube lied? Are you saying that everyone with a Chevy Shake issue was just making it up, that it didn’t exist? You’re saying YouTube lied? I’ve had or have 5 new GMs in the last 3 years between me and my wife; 2017 Silverado LT2, 2017 Malibu, 2019 Terrain Denali, 2019 Canyon Denali, and a 2020 Buick Encore GX. The Silverado saw the dealer the most out of all of them, with suspension issues and a harness issue from the factory. But they have all been fine vehicles. That does not mean I don’t support the people that do have trouble with their vehicles. I’m not beholden to a corporate master. The most reliable vehicle I ever had was my 2004 Expedition Eddie Bauer. I had it 160,000 miles and 9 years. It needed 3 repairs it’s entire life outside of standard maintenance. One rear air blower control door, one window motor, and one RSE input connector (that I still think a passenger broke but didn’t admit). The second most reliable was a 2014 Buick Verano. It needed 4 repairs in 3 years, two for the same steering shaft issue, one for speaker popping when you hit a bump, and one for the trunk latch not registering the trunk was actually closed. So to that end, only the new Encore has managed to not need 3 warranty repairs yet. Apparently the “real truck” was the Expedition because it towed 7,000lbs for most of its life and needed less repairs than a brand new Silverado that barely towed 3-5K from time to time.

I’m saying it’s not there to the people want to make it an issue. Again, the official registered complaints are less than 1/100th. There are more registered complains for Chevy Shake than there are for Ford death wobble. Personally, I’ll take an issue with a known fix rather than one with lots of buybacks because GM couldn’t figure out what was wrong with their engineering. Not every thread on this forum is related to tires. You can make the excuse for GM if you want. I really couldn’t care less. Death wobble is more dangerous than Chevy Shake. However, if I had the ability to make companies take care of the common man instead of screwing them over, I’d ensure that every last Chevy Shake vehicle was bought back at GMs expense. No one should have to be ok with the symptoms I’ve seen of Chevy Shake, it is absolutely not drive able at high speed. That every Yukon/Escalade with booming roof was replaced. That every Expedition and GM SUV with peeling paint in the first 3 years was taken care of. Both companies would be bankrupt if they were made to take care of their poor engineering.

I just don’t see the complaints that everyone seems to want to use as a one up in this discussion. I’m on 17 different RAM/Ford/GM forums. It’s just not there. I pointed out the steering complaints on this very forum and people want to pretend like it doesn’t even exist, and then talk about other brands. I mean it doesn’t make any difference to me, like I said, GM is trying to rip people off just as much as the next big brand in one way or another.

GM 4500 offers up to 4.80 rear axle. But I do agree overall, the F-series has had better powertrain options up and down the line up. That and F-series will give you a big gasser in your Class 6 truck, where as GM is diesel only from Class 4 and up. F-Series is also the one giving gasser PTO options, GM is also diesel only there.

It’s not just one year, but ok. Not going to consider something systemic then that has less than 1/100th it’s annual sales in complaints. I don’t show favoritism to any brand. For any brand, I only care about what the end user goes through for a fix. You also didn’t acknowledge the sheer amounts of K2 complainants. There’s about as many of those complaints registered for just 2014-2016 K2 half ton models as there are 15 years of complaints from super duty owners. By your definition, that is absolutely systemic. All three brands have death wobble in some form. GM ripped people off on half ton repairs. Ford ripped people off on the 6.7 turbo issues. RAM ripped people off on the electronics. It’s best when all brands admit their faults and people demand better out of them rather than pretending that even one uncovered or denied repair isn’t a major issue to the person experiencing it.

HD here. https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/187506-death-wobble-at-45/ Couple of other threads if you search for wobble. Several of the other GM forums have users with issues with brand new trucks as well. Not scientifically, seems that 2015 has the most results, which would make sense being the new design year for the HD. As for the Chevy Shake, K2 half tons were doing it with 100 miles on them. K2 was a design where GM had no idea how to fix what they created.

There’s posts on this very forum in the 15+ HD section regarding death wobble. It’s head in the sand to believe that GM doesn’t suffer from it as well. Chevy Shake is a completely separate issue that GM had that should have been fixed but instead cost owners a lot of money. But GM *also* has death wobble, on top of Chevy Shake in the past.

It seems to be an issue with out of tolerance steering parts, a lack of oversight on quality control. Ford, RAM, and GM all have class actions against them for death wobble. GM also had the Chevy Shake on the K2 trucks that went for years without resolution. Tolerances are getting tighter to make more refined and more efficient trucks. As things tighten up, more manufacturing imperfections come out. It’s such a tiny percentage of vehicles, I wouldn’t let it steer my decision in the slightest. Whichever brand you get stuck with a death wobble with, they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep from fixing it under warranty, that’s the sad truth of it. Russian roulette with any brand these days. GM loves warranty denials just as much as any of the others.

These situations are why RV haulers like manually unlocking hubs. That way they can unlock the front and still have 4x4 low reduction when they reverse the heavy things up steep inclines. Takes a lot of work off the transmission when you can run it through Low.

I think Ford just simply treats their HD gas customers more equal to diesel. The whole reason they took the time to create the 7.3 gasser. Ford also uses it in far more platforms than GM is using the new 6.6, from the F-250 pickup to 14,500lb E-450, to the 24,000lb F-59 chassis. And of course the F-650 as well. Since the 8.1L’s discontinuation, GM barely dips their toe into big gas powertrains until recently. Meanwhile, Ford maintained the 6.8L V10. I’d like to see GM get really serious about gas. GM still won’t offer a gas motor PTO combination. But Ford has and does. I think they believe in gas powertrains more than GM does.

Sounds are subjective. While I’m not fond of the BOV myself, to my ears, every modern V8 is a ricer. If you turn over 2,500RPM to make peak torque, your V8 is a ricer. The old SD401’s made 360lb ft under 2500 with the right set up. 534’s could make 500 under 1800 RPM. Those were V8’s. Not this 3,000 RPM garbage just to get to interstate speed.

Yep, having now test drove a 2020 with a 5.3, a 6.2, a 2.7, and the 3.0, the 2.7 is the fun to drive. If I were to buy another Denali, I’d get a 6.2. But GMC just isn’t doing it for me value wise. I think if it’s another splurge pickup I’d do a Ford or RAM first. I wouldn’t get another 5.3. Didn’t see the 2020 as much better than my2017 5.3, it’s a high strung V8 that makes a lot of noise before it makes power. Since we’re thinking of getting an SQ5 for the family hauler to replace the 2019 Terrain Denali in another year or two, and I like the cut of the GMC models, I’ll probably get a mid range 2.7 model to enjoy that low end torque that I’ve come to expect due to my other turbo vehicles and my brother’s Model 3 Performance that I frequent. 3.0 is a little tempting just for the novelty of it. I am looking to see if the Colorado gets the 2.7 as rumored.

Can’t really see being bothered by modern turbo truck exhaust sounds when all modern high revving V8 trucks sound like they skipped leg day at the gym. You know the ones, 6” lift on bro dozer tires and they goose it, make a ****** ton of noise and go nowhere as it has to kick down 4 gears first. Had one try to close a merge gap on me this weekend, and while he’s making all a racket and his 5.3L is screaming, the 2.0T Terrain easily gapped him and you hardly heard it do it. I was at 100% torque before he even dropped down enough gears. If your truck isn’t pushing a minimum of 5 second 0-60, it’s embarrassing to make all that noise and get passed by a stock turbo vehicle.

While they can’t go back and do the truck’s stickers, I would imagine from just a powertrain standpoint, it works for 2019/20 as well. It doesn’t seem that any hardware changed, they just re-certified. That doesn’t mean there isn’t possibly different engine tuning that keeps the 2.7 from blowing a piston out of the block as it runs at Max capacity in Death Valley. Engine tune changes don’t really get published much year after year.

2.7 must be doing well in real world usage. I’m sure GM was conservative at first with the rating after watching Ford have the issue of using too large of a CAC that performed too well and caused condensation issues on early EcoBoost trucks. Now GM sees they did actually create enough cooling capacity for towing heavy. 2.7 keeps looking better! https://www.gm-trucks.com/2021-silverados-2-7l-3-0l-engines-get-price-drop-trailering-capacity-increase/