I feel like I'm the only person that likes the nice low chrome ones. I feel like all these tucked up to the rocker are serving no purpose other than to kick my large boots into the side as i try to get my foot all the way on the platform. I want a STEP, that my entire foot, front to back and side to side, fits on. That I can stand up and work on top of the roof while on it with both feet.
Did I say it was a linear equation? Is there a manufacturer currently claiming 13.7K? Half tons are not pulling 53' boxes or 45' flats, nor do they involve the math with sliding or spread axles. The trailer is either loaded in a way that a truck can pull it, or it can't. Example: Our work F-150 5.0L SuperCrew 6.5' with the HDPP. Door tag is 2650#. Factory equipped with LT tires. Has no problems with 1900 on the pin, about 10.5K trailer+load. Big Tex 14GN trailer. Typically has 2 passengers in it as well. Still goes under GVWR (7850) on the scales. The point is the brakes should be built for the GVWR of the vehicle. Brakes have only gotten bigger across all models. The F-150 mentioned has 1.25" larger diameter brakes than a 2000 2500 does. I'm all for being smart with weight, but it's time to stop pretending that the half tons of today aren't every bit of the 3/4 tons from 20 years ago.
For me, anyways, all the metrics are preaching to the choir, and there's many more factors and configurations that go into it beside what was mentioned there. The point of the statement is this: You're around 17-20K for a fueled up OTR tractor. Behind it is say an empty dry van trailer, weighing about another 15K. You'll put another 35K on it. So you have a truck that weighs 20K being pushed by 50K. But the argument is always that "the brakes will never make it" or "the trailer will throw it around." The world goes round with smaller vehicles pulling larger loads. Only in the USA do we have this fetish that a truck needs to be yuge to pull any decent load, the rest of the world has been getting on just fine with their Outbacks and Focus wagons with little diesels pulling 4K pounds around. Slow down, stay the speed limits, have a load that matches the trucks abilities (GRAWR, GFAWR, GCWR, and GVWR), and send it. If you want to exceed any of those points, like speed, then be prepared to upsize. But maybe I'm special. I don't get white knuckle merging, I don't worry about my truck revving in the slow lane, and I am certainly not concerned with my load swaying because it's properly dialed in with proper equipment.
Saw a YouTube video today of some half tons doing 5vers and goose necks. Queue the 1 ton police. BS like the max tow should know tow 7K MAX. I don’t know how people think semis get down the damn road. I’ve never had these issues being pushed into runaway ramps and dived off bridges with a truck loaded near max. Then again I drive a responsible speed. I merge onto the highway when I and the load is ready, I don’t try to get to traffic speed. There’s left lanes for that. You mention that a half ton today has more capacities than their 70’s brethren and its back to “but mah steel!”. Damn old school thoughts that just won’t die.
That’s really strange, I thought that 19 was a new platform that we made forums for. Better tell the admins. Also weird how that 2018 has a 2500 badge. Didn’t know they made a half ton with a 2500 badge in 2018. I guess the more you know.
For shouting read, you’re doing a right terrible job of it. I told you I understand the Sierra, I don’t know how their packages work. I said I understand the chrome USED to be a thing, but it then stopped. This is the K2 half ton forum bud, it’s right at the top if you read. You can come off it.
I’ll give the Sierra, I know nothing about them. The last Silverado there is an older K2, and I see yes you could get them then, didn’t know that. None of my friends have one before the face lift, none of them would want the older technology to get the chrome Z71 either. So I’ll agree the color match issue is only post facelift. The HD’s run their own packages, like the Alaskan edition truck (which has a very weird set of features and limitations). This isn’t the HD section, and I don’t think the discussion includes them. We couldn’t say anything regarding a platform if we included half and HD in the same convo, as their packages rarely match.
Do you have a specialty local trim in your area? I’m looking through all my materials and Chrome front and rear was not an option on any K2 Z71 trucks. Nor was the opposite of color matched available on a regular LT or LTZ (the most popular non-fleet models). Centennial was LTZ Z71 only. Redline was LT and LTZ Z71 only. Midnight was Z71 only. Rally1 was Custom only (LS). Rally2 was LT Z71 only. Realtree was LTZ Z71 only. Spec ops was WT in black only. I don’t see any possibility outside of a low equipped Custom to get body color without Z71. So I guess Z71 is supposed to be beefier and the only way to get body color outside of a WT (which gets nothing because it has a plain plastic lower) or a Custom (LS without chrome)?
Yeah he might have a point if it wasn’t the only way to get a color matched model. Everyone that I’ve talked to bought the Z71 strictly because they didn’t like chrome. GM has made it nothing but a looks package to most. I avoided the Z71 strictly because I wanted chrome.
Exhibit A for cognitive fragility right here folks.
When I lease, I build in some sort of tire out of the gate. Because I find OEM tires to be utter crap. When I got my 12 Civic commuter I got Blizzaks for winter. When I got my 14 Fiesta commuter, I got Blizzaks for winter. My wife’s 13 Dart had a decent tire package for the year we had it. The 14 Buick Verano had crap tires, so we put on Continental DWS within the first few months. We felt the 17 Malibu was terrible on the test drive, so part of the deal was them taking those off and putting on DWS before delivery. My 17 Silverado has the Goodyear Wranglers on them, they’ve been alright enough to deal with. We kept all the OEM tires and put them on at the end of the lease, as the nicer higher performance tires were getting worn as they got close to 40K. But I agree on everything you said, I’m the odd man out on the tire habits. But I haven’t had to pay for any maintenance in quite awhile. It’s all under the lease since the car still has all its dealership freebies.
If you have more than a few thousand in debt, then you’re not in a place to be buying more than a small car or a very used vehicle. That was kind of a pre-requisite for the last statement. Unless you use the truck for work where it is a legitimate tax write off, a truck, and any toys you use it for, are luxury items. Paid by cash or otherwise. 1-2K in interest in 5 years doesn’t matter as that 40K purchase price was wasted on a depreciating asset.
If you’re paying anywhere near enough interest as to not be made up by investing your liquid, you got some shit credit, or not enough credit history to be buying new trucks. Money factor and interest is always negotiable as part of the deal.
I leased my 17 for a couple of reasons, none of which have anything to do with debt. 1. New trucks have gotten shittier in quality, I want an extended test drive so that I can drop the keys on the counter when the dealer inevitability to fix it to my liking. 2. No port injection means valve maintenance is when, not if. Not sure if I want to keep dealing with a vehicle hat didn’t have that engineered in. 3. I needed a heavier tow vehicle ASAP but I was not sure that a K2 GM was going to be very good, but wanted to give GM a try. I was pretty sold on buyout until recently. I have to engage the dealer on several issues now to try to get a resolution. Chuggle has, in the last two months, gotten ridiculous. Slamming up and down gears while at interstate speed has the wife unnerved. Service Stabilitrak came up, whole screen went black. Shut off and restart, still black. 150 miles from home. After a few more miles it all suddenly came back. So overall right now, glad I’ll just be able to drop it off at the dealer and walk away. Won’t be one of the poor bastards just bitching about how they are stuck with a shit truck.
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