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Opinion Needed: Bully Dog, Edge Evolution Hypertech, Or Superchips

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I know everyone tends to sway to getting a black bear tune, etc but I'm trying to stay within specs. If I somehow get stuck on the hwy with a warranty failed part I'd like to bring it in no prob. I'm not trying to be stuck, buy a new PCM, or finally get ahold of Blk bear tune to swap it back to stock. It's too muc trouble. Once my truck is out of warranty, then so be it. I don't need anything to help chevy avoid paying for something that legitly screwed up.

 

With the programmers you can view quite a bit and still reap plenty on benefit. If something goes wrong, just plug it back to stock.

 

So my question is, what are your opinions on the four? Now, with that in mind, also consider a few friends of mine. I have two people selling two differerent ones. One, a 5

mo old edge evolution that is not the cts or the expensive one. I think it's listed at $450 on their site. I can get this for $275 from him. Or I can get a superchips from the other friend for the same price but is a superhips fabq or whatever, it's the red one and 1 yr old.

 

What are the diffderences between these 2? Which is better or has more features such as downloadable Internet updates?

 

With those two in mind is it worth paying full price for a bully dog or a hypertech? Is there muh difference between the two above and these two?

 

What's your take?

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Hypertech - No

Edge - Maybe

Superchips - YES

Diablo - YES

Bully dog - Maybe.. more on the no side from what I've read

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Hypertech - No

Edge - Maybe

Superchips - YES

Diablo - YES

Bully dog - Maybe.. more on the no side from what I've read

 

 

Ok, so were narrowed down to superchips and edge. Why maybe for edge? The screen shows you speed mileage, rpm, etc. You just set what 3 screens you'd like to see.

 

The superchips is a plug and take off deal. No live screen data...

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Hypertech - No

Edge - Maybe

Superchips - YES

Diablo - YES

Bully dog - Maybe.. more on the no side from what I've read

 

 

Ok, so were narrowed down to superchips and edge. Why maybe for edge? The screen shows you speed mileage, rpm, etc. You just set what 3 screens you'd like to see.

 

The superchips is a plug and take off deal. No live screen data...

 

 

Well, I've read many mixed reviews on performance gains... thats why. Superchips has TQ management controls where the others done. If your want the "cool" factor of plugging it in.. and leaving it on the dash, then the edge, but if you want good tunes that I know perform, then it's also a good choice. I think the new Cortex does do life data logging and I know Diablo does too.

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Hypertech - No

Edge - Maybe

Superchips - YES

Diablo - YES

Bully dog - Maybe.. more on the no side from what I've read

 

 

Ok, so were narrowed down to superchips and edge. Why maybe for edge? The screen shows you speed mileage, rpm, etc. You just set what 3 screens you'd like to see.

 

The superchips is a plug and take off deal. No live screen data...

 

 

Well, I've read many mixed reviews on performance gains... thats why. Superchips has TQ management controls where the others done. If your want the "cool" factor of plugging it in.. and leaving it on the dash, then the edge, but if you want good tunes that I know perform, then it's also a good choice. I think the new Cortex does do life data logging and I know Diablo does too.

 

 

 

Oh wow, so it does have torque management? I have heard from others that the black bear tunes offer the torque management and that was an important factor for me to consider.

 

My question is, what exactly does the torque management do?

 

Also, on other sites they state I should go with the black bear tune. So when I bring it in to the dealer for warranty work they'll know that I had a programmer as everything will be erased. Others say they have a black box separate from the main computer.

 

But really, if they do and I put a black bear tune in, then p[lace a blank stock one back in for warranty they'll say " ok, you have a gap of 6mo in your computer"....

 

 

So how do either do with warranty work? How does everyone else go about it? Just pay and fix problems as they come along?

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Well, Superchips new tuner does have TQ controls from what I've read. What TQ management is.... Is GMs way of protecting the drive train, as well as an effort in improving mpg. It pulls timing between shifts to reduce power. When you take off hard from a stop, the TM pulls timing so you can't spin the wheels, by reducing power. It makes a 400hp truck feel like a 300 hp truck.

 

As far as Blackbear tune... well alot of people buy a second set of ECM/TCMs for dealer trips. It only takes minutes to swap so it's not all that big of a deal. I originally purchased Diablo and was very happy with the results, but just wanted more so recently I got the BB tune and I'm very happy with it too.

 

It's your call how you want to handle it. Diablo claims GM can't tell if you've had your program tuned by their tuner, but I don't know if superchips can make that same claim.

Good luck

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Well, Superchips new tuner does have TQ controls from what I've read. What TQ management is.... Is GMs way of protecting the drive train, as well as an effort in improving mpg. It pulls timing between shifts to reduce power. When you take off hard from a stop, the TM pulls timing so you can't spin the wheels, by reducing power. It makes a 400hp truck feel like a 300 hp truck.

 

As far as Blackbear tune... well alot of people buy a second set of ECM/TCMs for dealer trips. It only takes minutes to swap so it's not all that big of a deal. I originally purchased Diablo and was very happy with the results, but just wanted more so recently I got the BB tune and I'm very happy with it too.

 

It's your call how you want to handle it. Diablo claims GM can't tell if you've had your program tuned by their tuner, but I don't know if superchips can make that same claim.

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Ok, I spoke to gm and they stated they got bulletins from all dealerships that they can and wil find out if you hooked a chip to your vehicles no matter if you erase it or not.

 

My whole problem with black bear is there is no way i'd feel comfortable sending that nice chunk of money to a guy I can never reach be it phone or email...

 

I know he's busy but damn, either pay a woman minimum wage to answer phones. You know?

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Well, emails the best way to get a hold of him.. and I'm sure if you send him one, he'll get back to you pretty quick. His tune is awesome for my truck.

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Well, emails the best way to get a hold of him.. and I'm sure if you send him one, he'll get back to you pretty quick. His tune is awesome for my truck.

 

 

 

Ok, I have no choice as I already bought the edge. It'll be here MOnday or Tuesday.

 

Now as far as the tune. I totally respect your opinion and experiences. But hear me out my friend as this is my point of view and reason.

 

I will admit i did email him once and got a response. The other emails recieved none. But he did state that he'd be out here in Diego in June but I guess from what someone else said is that he won't be here until a later date and time.

 

OK, so enough about Justin, he'll hear from me soon when I am ready. I got the edge bc I can see valueable info live. That is important to me. Looking at what is going on and my ability to erase codes, etc.

 

Now, I was told by a buddy tonight that I can actually turn it off but just use it to give you live ratings. Well, once i get the BB tune, I'll use it. I personally do not like being in the dark and depending on others to tell me what might be going wrong. I like my data.

 

So to me I do not really need that custom of a tune. I mean, I am not like my buddy who installed a turbo on the damn truck or my other friend who installed a super charger. I dont' need all that right now. I have an intake, exhaust, and 35" tires. I'm not racing anyone.

 

I can program the trannie to loosen up its governing controls like the rev limiter, the trannie torque management, input tire size to correct gauges, etc. Nothing major. I'm not trying to fly to the moon.

 

Now, once I install some heat under the hood, etc then yea, I'll go for it. I got this programmer from a friend and got it even cheaper. A appx $200 and it's mine. May not be as detailed as Justins but it'll do something and I can see what's going on. Thats' all. As far as the warranty. My buddy at the suspension shop is going to hook me up with a place. He has a huge lifted chevy diesel with a kit made himself with some mean parts, and comepletly race ready. Not a pretty or mildly functional kit, and has his chip and doesn't even bother to take it out. They have worked on his truck no prob. So I'm going to hit that shop up and get to know the folks and call it a day, lol.

 

Doesn't sound too bad right?

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