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No choice is communism

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Snappy comebacks but not many answers. Car manufacturers are nickel and diming us with waste of time increases that are useless and not giving us any choice. If you want 16", 17", 18", 20" tires then you can buy them. 15" tires work fine and always have. Plus they're cheaper and it's not because of availability...it's because they use less material. You're letting car manufacturers tell you what to do AND with NO explanation. If the bigger tires are because of bigger brake rotors and drums for safety then all vehicles with smaller tires should be outlawed...since they're not safe. That explanation doesn't hold water either. It's car manufacturers sneakily stealing our money for something we don't need. If you don't mind the extra cash...then buy my tires.

 

 

I wouldnt say they "make me" do anything. Buy a new truck, take an old rear end out of an old chevy, "custom" fit early 90's knuckles on the front and put your 15's on the truck, your will have more money into that but if you keep the truck for 20 yrs you might make out. If you do not like the 17-20+ options available now then do not but one, but you really have no right to complain, you choose to buy or not. No one twists your arm to sign.... drive an 86 chevy with a tbi 350 getting 8-10 mpg and you can have your 15" wheels also.

 

Bigger wheels means bigger brakes and better cooler plain and simple. Im speaking to a 17" which is stock on new trucks. Anything bigger is in an option package and apparently you dont want anything over a basic truck motor, body, 4 wheels.

 

Your not buying bigger tires, your buying a tire of the same size for a bigger wheel. Also you must not understand what your eyes see..... a bigger wheel means less rubber. Again a 33" tire on a 15 compared to a 33" tire on a 17.... the 17(which your not paying extra for since its stock) use a hell of a lot less rubber.... HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

 

Its also not that the vehicles with the smaller brakes are "not safe". The fact is they try to do more with less... In the economy materials are dimishing. So most brake systems are using less over all material and sometime the over all dimensions might be larger. Bigger brakes doesnt mean more material, just different compositions of materials. The larger wheels are not tight to the calipers and rotors so heat disapates faster. Maybe ive been around cars to long but thats just common sense.

 

The vehicles with the smaller less adequate brakes are just that. Less adaquate or less efficient. Greater stopping distances more drag on the motor powering the booster etc........(which apparently you wont understand)

 

I also checked several tires and you 30-40$ difference between a 15 and 16 is WRONG.... Example go to NTWONLINE.com and check out BFG(expensive brand) rugged trail ta's, its barely $10's a tire more moving up from 15 to 16's in a respective size. I looked at 31/1050/15 and 265/70/16 and another 10 (which is a total of 20 per tire) if you go to a 265/65/17 which is an odd ball tire. More common is 255/70/17 and its the same price as the 16" equivelant i said. This happens with many tire brands....

 

Your absolutley right that we don't "need" it. It they never changed and all vehicles were the same then their would be no problem maybe. However people like new and different. People make money inventing, customizing etc...

 

In all honesty, no matter what i say your not going to get it or understand. Your opinion was made up longer before you started this topic. Therefore I will leave it at this and do my best not to continue on the argument.

 

Its your choice to which vehicle your purchase and drive. If your worried over a couple hundred bucks max between a 15" and 17" wheel then you shouldn't be driving a truck. Trucks are expensive. Trade it in on a small car, get better mpg's, tires will be much much cheaper and may be a 15" wheel (since you like that size).

 

You cant put a 15" or 16" wheel on an nbs or nnbs truck without some sort of modification or special backspacing to the wheel . In turn, you are going to spend money (more than $100) to try and save at most $70-150 depending on the tire you chose. If you buy an obs your gonna spend more money in gas than you will EVER spend in tires...

 

I have to quit now.... to irritated by your stupid @$ theory.

 

 

Looks like you had trouble with math in high school.

Stevens03 Senior Enthusiast

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Snappy comebacks but not many answers. Car manufacturers are nickel and diming us with waste of time increases that are useless and not giving us any choice. If you want 16", 17", 18", 20" tires then you can buy them. 15" tires work fine and always have. Plus they're cheaper and it's not because of availability...it's because they use less material. You're letting car manufacturers tell you what to do AND with NO explanation. If the bigger tires are because of bigger brake rotors and drums for safety then all vehicles with smaller tires should be outlawed...since they're not safe. That explanation doesn't hold water either. It's car manufacturers sneakily stealing our money for something we don't need. If you don't mind the extra cash...then buy my tires.

 

You've got conspiracy issues man. Your explanation doesn't hold water. Manufacturers are customer driven and "most" people like the look of the bigger wheels and that's why they do it. If they didn't make vehicles people liked or wanted, they would be out of business real fast.

 

If you don't like the wheels on your truck, then go buy another vehicle that suites your taste. If you want to modify your current vehicle to fit 15" wheels, then go for it. Where there's a will, there's a way. But if your complaint is just because your cheap, then do it somewhere else.

jsciaretta Enthusiast

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Snappy comebacks but not many answers. Car manufacturers are nickel and diming us with waste of time increases that are useless and not giving us any choice. If you want 16", 17", 18", 20" tires then you can buy them. 15" tires work fine and always have. Plus they're cheaper and it's not because of availability...it's because they use less material. You're letting car manufacturers tell you what to do AND with NO explanation. If the bigger tires are because of bigger brake rotors and drums for safety then all vehicles with smaller tires should be outlawed...since they're not safe. That explanation doesn't hold water either. It's car manufacturers sneakily stealing our money for something we don't need. If you don't mind the extra cash...then buy my tires.

 

 

I wouldnt say they "make me" do anything. Buy a new truck, take an old rear end out of an old chevy, "custom" fit early 90's knuckles on the front and put your 15's on the truck, your will have more money into that but if you keep the truck for 20 yrs you might make out. If you do not like the 17-20+ options available now then do not but one, but you really have no right to complain, you choose to buy or not. No one twists your arm to sign.... drive an 86 chevy with a tbi 350 getting 8-10 mpg and you can have your 15" wheels also.

 

Bigger wheels means bigger brakes and better cooler plain and simple. Im speaking to a 17" which is stock on new trucks. Anything bigger is in an option package and apparently you dont want anything over a basic truck motor, body, 4 wheels.

 

Your not buying bigger tires, your buying a tire of the same size for a bigger wheel. Also you must not understand what your eyes see..... a bigger wheel means less rubber. Again a 33" tire on a 15 compared to a 33" tire on a 17.... the 17(which your not paying extra for since its stock) use a hell of a lot less rubber.... HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

 

Its also not that the vehicles with the smaller brakes are "not safe". The fact is they try to do more with less... In the economy materials are dimishing. So most brake systems are using less over all material and sometime the over all dimensions might be larger. Bigger brakes doesnt mean more material, just different compositions of materials. The larger wheels are not tight to the calipers and rotors so heat disapates faster. Maybe ive been around cars to long but thats just common sense.

 

The vehicles with the smaller less adequate brakes are just that. Less adaquate or less efficient. Greater stopping distances more drag on the motor powering the booster etc........(which apparently you wont understand)

 

I also checked several tires and you 30-40$ difference between a 15 and 16 is WRONG.... Example go to NTWONLINE.com and check out BFG(expensive brand) rugged trail ta's, its barely $10's a tire more moving up from 15 to 16's in a respective size. I looked at 31/1050/15 and 265/70/16 and another 10 (which is a total of 20 per tire) if you go to a 265/65/17 which is an odd ball tire. More common is 255/70/17 and its the same price as the 16" equivelant i said. This happens with many tire brands....

 

Your absolutley right that we don't "need" it. It they never changed and all vehicles were the same then their would be no problem maybe. However people like new and different. People make money inventing, customizing etc...

 

In all honesty, no matter what i say your not going to get it or understand. Your opinion was made up longer before you started this topic. Therefore I will leave it at this and do my best not to continue on the argument.

 

Its your choice to which vehicle your purchase and drive. If your worried over a couple hundred bucks max between a 15" and 17" wheel then you shouldn't be driving a truck. Trucks are expensive. Trade it in on a small car, get better mpg's, tires will be much much cheaper and may be a 15" wheel (since you like that size).

 

You cant put a 15" or 16" wheel on an nbs or nnbs truck without some sort of modification or special backspacing to the wheel . In turn, you are going to spend money (more than $100) to try and save at most $70-150 depending on the tire you chose. If you buy an obs your gonna spend more money in gas than you will EVER spend in tires...

 

I have to quit now.... to irritated by your stupid @$ theory.

 

 

Looks like you had trouble with math in high school.

 

 

Please explain how my math is wrong?

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goober1985 Enthusiast

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Snappy comebacks but not many answers. Car manufacturers are nickel and diming us with waste of time increases that are useless and not giving us any choice. If you want 16", 17", 18", 20" tires then you can buy them. 15" tires work fine and always have. Plus they're cheaper and it's not because of availability...it's because they use less material. You're letting car manufacturers tell you what to do AND with NO explanation. If the bigger tires are because of bigger brake rotors and drums for safety then all vehicles with smaller tires should be outlawed...since they're not safe. That explanation doesn't hold water either. It's car manufacturers sneakily stealing our money for something we don't need. If you don't mind the extra cash...then buy my tires.

 

You've got conspiracy issues man. Your explanation doesn't hold water. Manufacturers are customer driven and "most" people like the look of the bigger wheels and that's why they do it. If they didn't make vehicles people liked or wanted, they would be out of business real fast.

 

If you don't like the wheels on your truck, then go buy another vehicle that suites your taste. If you want to modify your current vehicle to fit 15" wheels, then go for it. Where there's a will, there's a way. But if your complaint is just because your cheap, then do it somewhere else.

 

:cheers:

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