Another Remote Start Question

[patman0323]

i have an 08 sierra and im about to install a remote starter before it gets even colder up here. i searched the webs for hours for wire diagrams, i stumbled on the bulldog site and found the diagram for my truck, under the wire color code for the starter wire it had this note "NOTE * THIS VEHICLE HAS A SPECIAL IGNITION AND WILL REQUIRE A PKUGM2X FOR REMOTE START AND ANTI-THEFT."

my question is, is this true for ALL 08 Sierras or some? because my truck does not have any anti theft that i know of and also i do not have power locks or windows. and i also dont believe that i have the remote start prep package but wont know until i can find a way to run my vin.

if you guys have anymore information it would be greatly appreciated.

thank you

Patrick

[RyanbabZ71]

Look in your glove box and see if you have Code A8 I believe it is

[MS3DALE]

If you post me the last 8 digits of your VIN I can see if you have the remote starter prep-pkg.

Also,your truck does have the "PASSKEY III+" system,Heres a description of it...

 

 

Immobilizer Description and Operation:

The immobilizer system functions are provided by the theft deterrent module (TDM) and the engine control module (ECM). When an ignition key is inserted into the ignition lock cylinder and the ignition is switched ON, the transponder embedded in the head of the key is energized by the exciter coil surrounding the ignition lock cylinder. This exciter coil is part of the TDM. The energized transponder transmits a signal that contains its unique value, which is received by the TDM. The TDM then compares this value to a value stored in memory. If the values match, the TDM will send the prerelease password via the serial data circuit to the ECM. If the transponders unique value is incorrect, the TDM will send the fuel disable password to the ECM.

 

When the ECM receives the TDM prerelease password, the ECM will challenge the password. The ECM sends this challenge back to the TDM via the serial data circuit. Both the ECM and TDM perform a calculation on this challenge. If the calculated response from the TDM equals the calculation performed by the ECM, the ECM will allow vehicle starting.

 

The components of the theft system are as follows:

 

• TDM

 

• ECM

 

• Ignition key (Transponder)

 

• Security indicator

 

Theft Deterrent Module (TDM):

Vehicles with steering column mounted ignition switches have the exciter integral with the theft deterrent module (TDM), which is located within the steering column. The TDM can learn up to 10 keys (transponder values).

 

The TDM uses the following inputs:

 

• Battery voltage

 

• Ignition switched voltage

 

• Ground circuit

 

The theft deterrent control module uses the following outputs:

 

• Password exchange

 

• Challenge/response with the engine control module (ECM)

 

When an ignition key is inserted into the ignition lock cylinder and the ignition is switched ON, the transponder embedded in the head of the key is energized by the exciter coils surrounding the ignition lock cylinder. The energized transponder transmits a signal that contains its unique value, which is received by the TDM. The TDM then compares this value to the learned key code stored in memory. The TDM then performs one of the following functions:

 

• If the transponder value matches the values stored in the TDM memory, the TDM will send the prerelease password to the ECM via the serial data circuit.

 

• If the transponders unique value does not match the value stored in the TDM, the TDM will send the fuel disable message to the ECM via the serial data circuit.

 

• If the TDM is unable to measure the ignition key transponder value, the TDM will not send any messages to the ECM.

 

Engine Control Module (ECM):

When the engine control module (ECM) receives the theft deterrent module (TDM) prerelease password, the ECM will challenge the password. The ECM sends this challenge back to the TDM via the serial data circuit. Both the ECM and TDM perform a calculation on this challenge. If the calculated response from the TDM equals the calculation performed by the ECM, the ECM will allow vehicle starting.

 

The ECM will disable vehicle starting if any of the following conditions occur:

 

• The prerelease password is invalid.

 

• The fuel disable password is sent by the TDM.

 

• No passwords are received. There is no communication with the TDM.

 

• The TDM calculated response to the challenge does not equal the calculation performed by the ECM.

 

The Ignition Key (Transponder):

The ignition key for PassKey III+ (PK3+) equipped vehicles is a standard ignition key with a transponder located in the plastic head of the key. The transponder value is fixed and unable to be changed. The immobilizer system uses the ignition key transponder value to determine if a valid ignition key is being used to start the vehicle. There are approximately 3 trillion possible transponder values. There are no visible electrical contacts. The keys are identified by + symbol in a circle stamped into the steel shank of the key.

 

Security Indicator:

The theft deterrent module (TDM) can command the instrument panel cluster (IPC) to illuminate the security indicator only when the ignition key is in the ON position. The TDM will command the security indicator be illuminated any time a fault is noted in the immobilizer system and when the engine starting is disabled.

[MS3DALE]

Look in your glove box and see if you have Code A8 I believe it is

 

You mean code "AP8" Ryan

[RyanbabZ71]

Look in your glove box and see if you have Code A8 I believe it is

 

You mean code "AP8" Ryan

 

 

Sorry that must be it I knew it had an A and 8. To many RPO codes going through my head

[patman0323]

well i checked my glove compartment and i didnt see and ap8 code, the last 8 of my vin are 8z900647 and thank you for all the info on the passkey III+ i didnt know that it was in there.

[MS3DALE]

well i checked my glove compartment and i didnt see and ap8 code, the last 8 of my vin are 8z900647 and thank you for all the info on the passkey III+ i didnt know that it was in there.

No,You do not have AP8.

You do have an open recall,Recall#09184 "MATERIAL OVER SENSING & DIAGNOSTIC MODULE RETAINING MOISTURE" Have your dealer take care of that for you.

[patman0323]

thank you for the response about the ap8 thing and also thanks about the recall information ill have that taken care of.