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6.slow

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I know everyone has asked every question about pcm tunes, but I'm not one to learn quick. :cheers: If a guy would get 100% of TM removed, what damage could/would be done to driveline, engine, wallet, driving record...???

 

Has anyone had any luck/troubles with doing such? How much have you removed, and how'd it work for you? What do you tow/race against? Would you reccommend for a daily driver? Looking to be able to do more than a little turn of the tires at full stop. :fume: I tow occasionally, not routinely. Race rarely, win even less. :D I've read and read, think I'm going cross-eyed! :D

 

Thanks for the patience with yet another tune question... :cheers:

Mighty HD Senior Enthusiast

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I've had 100% TM on engine and transmission removed and have not had a problem. Drive it normal and don't abuse it---you'll be fine.

 

It does haul serious ass though

6.slow Enthusiast

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I've had 100% TM on engine and transmission removed and have not had a problem.  Drive it normal and don't abuse it---you'll be fine.

 

It does haul serious ass though

 

 

 

So, If a guy stomped it from a dead stop, would anything bust? How insane is the difference? What do you consider abuse? Any worries about trailering? What about bigger tires? Tell me more, you got me excited! :D

Mighty HD Senior Enthusiast

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No it won't break anything. Abuse is doing it all the time. I do it maybe once in a blue moon. I rarely ever nail it to the floor and always drive like there's an egg between the pedal and my foot. I'm not going to beat on a truck that I plan to keep until the wheels fall off.

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 as a difference in power, it's an 8 at a minimum. I got better gas mileage, and a ton of more pickup. I don't have to get into the throttle hardly at all getting up to speed merging on to an interstate. I immediately could tell a difference.

 

Go with Nelson's tune. You can't beat it. I chose him over westers simply because he is in the states and dont' have to go through the shipping crap with customs.

 

Shoot me a PM if you're worried about the warranty.

05Quadrasteer Enthusiast

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Fully concur with everything Mighty HD said about getting a tune. I am using the Westers tune and love it. The response and performance in the truck is unbelievable.

 

Just as follow up info Westers does have distributors now in the states so you don't have to go through all the international shipping.

 

Have a great day and enjoy the holidays.

 

Bill

vhato Enthusiast

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Fully concur with everything Mighty HD said about getting a tune.  I am using the Westers tune and love it.  The response and performance in the truck is unbelievable.

 

Just as follow up info Westers does have distributors now in the states so you don't have to go through all the international shipping.

 

Have a great day and enjoy the holidays.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

On mine I removed ALL Torque Management with HP Tuners as well as upgraded my Low Octane Table to match my High Octance Table as well as improved my VE Table. Man, Wide Open Throttle puts a smile on my face. I love the Vortec 6000 Engine. I can feel the power when passing. Regular Part Throttle driving is no different. I gotta finsh editting my MAF Calibration and complete my VE Table.

 

Oh yea, I drive like crap and still get 14 MPG average. Thanks to Lean Cruise.

 

Get a tune, Get a tune. The Vortec 6000 BEGS for a tune. I doubt you will find one person who will say their Vortec 6000 feels no different after getting a tune.

vhato Enthusiast

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What did HP tuners set you back?  I wanted to play around with the factory pcm some.  I'm sure nelson's is locked and cant be changed..

 

 

 

 

I don't remember. Me and a friend went in and purchased HPT for 2002, 2004 and 2005 w/Upgrades. We split the cost and share the cable.

zippy Enthusiast

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torque management is not needed for anyone considering performance. you will not go breaking parts just because you get rid of it. keep in mind that until around 96' or so cars/trucks never even had the abilty to manage torque output for drivetrain saftey.

builderpaul Enthusiast

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While TM will protect parts it also is part of the overall drivability system. People want the transmission to shift smooth so GM lowers the line pressures. With these lower pressures the trans shifts smoother but will slip if shifted under WOT. So GM pulls a little timing or feathers the throttle a little during shifts. I noticed this slippage when I had all my TM removed, I did not have the trans changed at all. I didn't get a performance tune and rarely do any WOT shifts so it is not an issue. If you get a performance tune or constantly perform WOT shifts with TM removed than be sure to get the transmission pressures increased also. It will shift harsher but will not slip.

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