E 85

Taaaaaaahoe? · June 14, 2006

Thats all, do you use it? Notice any difference w/ it?

I was gon gto fill up w/ a tank and see how it does.

I realize I'll prob get less MPG, any other effects?

snoman · June 14, 2006

Thats all, do you use it? Notice any difference w/ it?

I was gon gto fill up w/ a tank and see how it does.

I realize I'll prob get less MPG, any other effects?

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You do not want to use it is realy cold weather (below zero) and expect a 30 to 40% decrease in MPG because of much lower energy content. Also make sure your vehicle is rated for it as it can be hard on the fuel system if it is not. (and may not run right either)

Taaaaaaahoe? · June 14, 2006

Yep, it is rated for it, have the 5.3 FlexFuel Motor.

That much of a decrease? humm may not pay off at that point.

Fyrcaptain · June 14, 2006

We have E5 cause the EPA says we have to.

The alcohol replaced the MBTE

Elwood 2000 · June 14, 2006

Mike, when I had my Suburban, I used E85 every tank I could. I noticed absolutely NO loss of power or different drivability. It ran excellent, as it did with regular gasoline. I did however lose about 10% of my milage, never more. It is cheaper to buy, but with slightly less milage, your anual fuel price will end up being the same either way.

It is better for the environment emission wise. Your exhaust will have a somewhat "sweet" smell instead of the sour eggs smell. It does however benifit farmers and I am one, so please use it whenever you can!

ken1mod · June 14, 2006

Gentlemen,

How can it be good for the environment when it takes more fuel to make it than it contains? Aren't they just burning that fuel at some distillery? It is sort of like electric cars. They are all hooked to a smokestack somewhere.

It is only for sale because the government taxes milk and eggs and bread to give to the distilleries to lower the price. I believe ethanol would cost about 5.00 per gallon if the government didn't tax other stuff and give it to distilleries to make it "competitive".

I just think when other fuels become competitive, they will be sold without subsidy (taxing bread). Am I just too suspicious of our friends on Capitol Hill? Is it possible that it is actually bad for the country to buy e85?

Ken

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snoman · June 15, 2006

Mike, when I had my Suburban, I used E85 every tank I could. I noticed absolutely NO loss of power or different drivability. It ran excellent, as it did with regular gasoline. I did however lose about 10% of my milage, never more. It is cheaper to buy, but with slightly less milage, your anual fuel price will end up being the same either way.

I seriously question the 10% thing as regualr gas has about 125,ooo BTU per gallon and E85 about 80,000 BYT and it is this heat energy that drives the engine thru expanding gasses. I used to drag race with with pure alchol over 20 years ago and it ran like a bandit but it was tuff to start when cool (primed it with gas) and went thru a lot more fuel than you would with gas. (ran around a 5 to 1 air to fuel ratio as I seem to recall)

wood78 · June 15, 2006

my girlfriends brother works for a chevy dealer and he said that they have been getting a few trucks in for warrenty work because of E85. I don't know if its a bad batch of E85 around here or what the problem is but he told me not to use it. after reading the article in car and driver about E85 I don't think its as great as people seem to think it is.

mmmikkke · June 15, 2006

Gentlemen,

How can it be good for the environment when it takes more fuel to make it than it contains? Aren't they just burning that fuel at some distillery? It is sort of like electric cars. They are all hooked to a smokestack somewhere.

It is only for sale because the government taxes milk and eggs and bread to give to the distilleries to lower the price. I believe ethanol would cost about 5.00 per gallon if the government didn't tax other stuff and give it to distilleries to make it "competitive".

I just think when other fuels become competitive, they will be sold without subsidy (taxing bread). Am I just too suspicious of our friends on Capitol Hill? Is it possible that it is actually bad for the country to buy e85?

Ken

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Ken, your opinion is dangerous because you challenge the ethanol lobby's contention that Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill are white knights fighting the evil Exxon-Mobil, Shell, and BP.

Why can't you just let this be a localized problem where (a) congress promotes ethanol to buy votes from (b) farmers who profit from the subsidy? Why did you have to mention that it's actually bad for the country?? ...Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!

Let's all follow the yellow brick road!

ken1mod · June 15, 2006

Gentlemen,

How can it be good for the environment when it takes more fuel to make it than it contains? Aren't they just burning that fuel at some distillery? It is sort of like electric cars. They are all hooked to a smokestack somewhere.

It is only for sale because the government taxes milk and eggs and bread to give to the distilleries to lower the price. I believe ethanol would cost about 5.00 per gallon if the government didn't tax other stuff and give it to distilleries to make it "competitive".

I just think when other fuels become competitive, they will be sold without subsidy (taxing bread). Am I just too suspicious of our friends on Capitol Hill? Is it possible that it is actually bad for the country to buy e85?

Ken

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Ken, your opinion is dangerous because you challenge the ethanol lobby's contention that Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill are white knights fighting the evil Exxon-Mobil, Shell, and BP.

Why can't you just let this be a localized problem where (a) congress promotes ethanol to buy votes from (b) farmers who profit from the subsidy? Why did you have to mention that it's actually bad for the country?? ...Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!

Let's all follow the yellow brick road!

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Man,

You guys are good.

Ken

asepgrad98 · June 15, 2006

Fight big corn!

Our gas would be much cheaper if not for the tariffs on Brazilian corn.

ken1mod · June 15, 2006

That darn corn! I like mine with butter and salt. Won't that get more expensive if corn is diverted to bourbon production? Oh my God, won't bourbon get more expensive if we start putting it into our tanks? Oh my god!!!!

Ken

Norseman · June 15, 2006

Mike, when I had my Suburban, I used E85 every tank I could. I noticed absolutely NO loss of power or different drivability. It ran excellent, as it did with regular gasoline. I did however lose about 10% of my milage, never more. It is cheaper to buy, but with slightly less milage, your anual fuel price will end up being the same either way.

It is better for the environment emission wise. Your exhaust will have a somewhat "sweet" smell instead of the sour eggs smell. It does however benifit farmers and I am one, so please use it whenever you can!

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Got your back. I wish my truck was E85 compliant. But, I do use E5(I think that is what it's called) when ever I can and I haven't noticed any real difference in performance or milage.

tflessner · June 15, 2006

Although my pickup is not a flex fuel, sometimes I'll put 3 gallons of E85 in and then fill up the rest with regular gas. It's about $2.00 a gallon where we live.

Ethanol does NOT take more energy to produce than you get out of it!!

Energy to make Ethanol

It's BAD for our country to buy E85???? I guess I just don't understand that comment? I suppose it's good for our country to send billions over to the Middle East in exchange for boat loads of oil?