Question About Edge Juice Module And Attitude Controller

harleydude202 · March 31, 2010

Recently bought a '08 GMC Sierra 2500 HD. Doing some mods and wondering if I could slap in a juice module and attitude cab controller right from the box with the exhaust temp. hooked up, and not have to worry about my DPF or any other problems/engine codes/emission do dads?? It's an everyday use and I would only run on level 1 or 2 most of the time.

new to the whole diesel scene and would greatly appreciate some input and tips, seeing how I am at a stand still..

Prokopchuk_9 · March 31, 2010

put a 5 inch turbo back straight pipe DPF delete kit, Resognater plug, EGR blocker plate, air dog lift pump, AFE down-pipe, use EFI Live man. you can turn on unlimited horsepower(stock tranny will LIMP if you go past 80-90 HP over stock tho). Edge works but its not as good. high EGT's, use a tune from a deisel tuning specialist...join duramaxforum.com look for a guy that go's by the name of Idahorob or something like that. he is like the grand master deisel tuner...my buddy runs a tune from that guy. he has those mods done with his 07 LMM. he is running just shy of 475 RWHP on a stock turbo and injectors...that thing GOES...join thta forum tho man it is very informative and people will help you out.

nice truck by the way dude...like the bike too

Big black truck · March 31, 2010

The advantage the edge has over the efi live, is that with the attitude you get all the digital gauges you would want. I would recommend a 4" exhaust that deletes the dpf, and make sure you get the newer edge model that disables the regen. If you are not looking at just "all out" the edge is the logical choice. I ran a 6.7 cummins with the edge and mp8 and all worked out well. My buddy runs an 08 duramax originally with the ppe and destroyed his tranny. After a hefty cost, he went back with an edge and no more worries.

Prokopchuk_9 · April 1, 2010

The advantage the edge has over the efi live, is that with the attitude you get all the digital gauges you would want. I would recommend a 4" exhaust that deletes the dpf, and make sure you get the newer edge model that disables the regen. If you are not looking at just "all out" the edge is the logical choice. I ran a 6.7 cummins with the edge and mp8 and all worked out well. My buddy runs an 08 duramax originally with the ppe and destroyed his tranny. After a hefty cost, he went back with an edge and no more worries.

well ya i he is right man, get the edge if you wanna see guages and stuff. i thought the bully dog was better for that tho? the best tune possible tho man is still EFI Live. PPE too much fuel not enough boost, smokey...and will EAT your tranny. im tellin ya, get the edge for the gauges but if you are gonna tune it get a custom tune man...hey nothing, i heard stackin the mp8 and edge on the 6.7's is burnin out injectors am i right??? or is that with just the edge attitude with juice "hot" unlock? and OP you if you get a custom tune...you can go the de-fuel route also, still run a 100+ HP tune but safe on the tranny...relatively...or just get a set of Pod gauges...looks way cooler. another site you should check out is huskerdiesel.com...good site

Big black truck · April 1, 2010

The advantage the edge has over the efi live, is that with the attitude you get all the digital gauges you would want. I would recommend a 4" exhaust that deletes the dpf, and make sure you get the newer edge model that disables the regen. If you are not looking at just "all out" the edge is the logical choice. I ran a 6.7 cummins with the edge and mp8 and all worked out well. My buddy runs an 08 duramax originally with the ppe and destroyed his tranny. After a hefty cost, he went back with an edge and no more worries.

well ya i he is right man, get the edge if you wanna see guages and stuff. i thought the bully dog was better for that tho? the best tune possible tho man is still EFI Live. PPE too much fuel not enough boost, smokey...and will EAT your tranny. im tellin ya, get the edge for the gauges but if you are gonna tune it get a custom tune man...hey nothing, i heard stackin the mp8 and edge on the 6.7's is burnin out injectors am i right??? or is that with just the edge attitude with juice "hot" unlock? and OP you if you get a custom tune...you can go the de-fuel route also, still run a 100+ HP tune but safe on the tranny...relatively...or just get a set of Pod gauges...looks way cooler. another site you should check out is huskerdiesel.com...good site

I have heard that too, but mainly with the unlock. I never had a problem with mine. Yesterday, we pulled a dump trailer with skidsteer inside and averaged 5.7 mpg with the 2008 duramax. This was with the edge on tow. Same load on my 8.1 I average 9.5mpg. Says a lot for towing with diesels. My dodge also gets around 8-9 towing the same load.

Meant to add that the op should not add any programmer or tune while he still has the dpf. It will clog sooner. Period.

harleydude202 · April 1, 2010

The advantage the edge has over the efi live, is that with the attitude you get all the digital gauges you would want. I would recommend a 4" exhaust that deletes the dpf, and make sure you get the newer edge model that disables the regen. If you are not looking at just "all out" the edge is the logical choice. I ran a 6.7 cummins with the edge and mp8 and all worked out well. My buddy runs an 08 duramax originally with the ppe and destroyed his tranny. After a hefty cost, he went back with an edge and no more worries.

well ya i he is right man, get the edge if you wanna see guages and stuff. i thought the bully dog was better for that tho? the best tune possible tho man is still EFI Live. PPE too much fuel not enough boost, smokey...and will EAT your tranny. im tellin ya, get the edge for the gauges but if you are gonna tune it get a custom tune man...hey nothing, i heard stackin the mp8 and edge on the 6.7's is burnin out injectors am i right??? or is that with just the edge attitude with juice "hot" unlock? and OP you if you get a custom tune...you can go the de-fuel route also, still run a 100+ HP tune but safe on the tranny...relatively...or just get a set of Pod gauges...looks way cooler. another site you should check out is huskerdiesel.com...good site

I have heard that too, but mainly with the unlock. I never had a problem with mine. Yesterday, we pulled a dump trailer with skidsteer inside and averaged 5.7 mpg with the 2008 duramax. This was with the edge on tow. Same load on my 8.1 I average 9.5mpg. Says a lot for towing with diesels. My dodge also gets around 8-9 towing the same load.

Meant to add that the op should not add any programmer or tune while he still has the dpf. It will clog sooner. Period.

he closest city is 2 hours away (the easiest for me since I work on a oil rig without a swing crew its hard to get there when I want) the edge J/A is easiest for me just for on the on the fly change, gauges, a little better throttle response and a little better mpg. Since I got new 33's it's eating diesel like I drink milk lol.. really appreciate the help I've been tryin to figure it out cause I've took my automotive tech course for gases but diesels are a bit different and I've never really worked on 'em..

from what I understand I can buy the new juice style with the regen, insert a 4" exhaust fit where the dpf was and hook it up and be good to go and engine code free?? just keep an eye on my EGT's and drive "mainly sensible"??

one more quick question if I install the edge J/A would I be able to then remove my "trumpet" exhaust tip??

Big black truck · April 1, 2010

Yes you can remove the trumpet. If you want to maintain the quietness then I suggest installing a 5"magnaflow muffler.

masterp2 · April 1, 2010

Parasitic tuning is a very tragic way to try to tune a vehicle. There is so much that can go wrong with this circuit fooler technology, including it's well know component heat fatigue.

Also, EFILive is not a tune. At is a proogramming suite, and not for the faint of heart. Some efilive peddlers give away tuning to sell it to you, just an FYI. You have to be very discriminate to avoid hurting your truck in ways many amateur tuners are not aware of. This is very much a table game gamble.

Prokopchuk_9 · April 1, 2010

Parasitic tuning is a very tragic way to try to tune a vehicle. There is so much that can go wrong with this circuit fooler technology, including it's well know component heat fatigue.

Also, EFILive is not a tune. At is a proogramming suite, and not for the faint of heart. Some efilive peddlers give away tuning to sell it to you, just an FYI. You have to be very discriminate to avoid hurting your truck in ways many amateur tuners are not aware of. This is very much a table game gamble.

no its not man, i call bullshit on that one. how is Efi Live not a tune??? thats exactly what it is...its tuning software...thats what all the good tuners use, blackbear, wheatly, peyton performance...that or HPtuners... at least if you get a reputable tuner to flash your truck. you ACTUALLY know what you are getting. and its the same price if not cheaper than a hand-held!!! if you go with a custom tune, garuanteed your EGT's will be lower...it wont be a hard shifting, smokey tune. it will be proper. its not a gamble man...the people i know of that are good diesel tuners are really smart and have awesome reputation for years...they have the duramax engine comletely MASTERED.....

using efi live isnt a tune

masterp2 · April 2, 2010

efi live isnt a tune

correct. It is a user adjustable tuning/scanning tool, semantics. Without a laborious education, usually self-taught, EFILive is unuseable. Viewing the free software download is enough to draw your own conclusion.

I have been custom tuning diesel vehicles with EFILive for longer than most. I am a reseller also. I have relationships with some of the people you cite. Not a single EFILive product comes from the manufacturer with any tuning, or tuning education.

Tune "creations" end up in my inbox weekly, for comment. I have seen it all. Much of what I have seen is dangerous, noisy, and hack. But if you don't have some understanding of tuning concepts, then it is impossible to see red flags. This is not the same as gas tuning. We impose up to 200 HP additional on the engine. Without knowing what is really happening within the cylinder, in changing dynamic thermal conditions, many tunes are time bombs. There is no knock sensor to save the day. It will destroy itself on command by the tuner.

YMMV.

Prokopchuk_9 · April 2, 2010

efi live isnt a tune

correct. It is a user adjustable tuning/scanning tool, semantics. Without a laborious education, usually self-taught, EFILive is unuseable. Viewing the free software download is enough to draw your own conclusion.

I have been custom tuning diesel vehicles with EFILive for longer than most. I am a reseller also. I have relationships with some of the people you cite. Not a single EFILive product comes from the manufacturer with any tuning, or tuning education.

Tune "creations" end up in my inbox weekly, for comment. I have seen it all. Much of what I have seen is dangerous, noisy, and hack. But if you don't have some understanding of tuning concepts, then it is impossible to see red flags. This is not the same as gas tuning. We impose up to 200 HP additional on the engine. Without knowing what is really happening within the cylinder, in changing dynamic thermal conditions, many tunes are time bombs. There is no knock sensor to save the day. It will destroy itself on command by the tuner.

YMMV.

i understand what Efi Live is all about man, i built my own tune. i own the software. i didnt say the actual scan tool is a tune. i said get a custom tune done by somebody who uses it....its much more effective than a hand-held peice of junk. im not tellin buddy to go and buy the software LOL. that would be a timebomb for sure ive flashed a couple guys deisels for them, it doesnt look very complicated. seems like you just dump a bunch more fuel....fuel=boost...the tune i built for my own truck is alot more in depth the the diesel i thought. maybe i missed some tables but it didnt look all that crazy to me...just for the ECM.