Environmentalist...don't read

MarkD · June 25, 2002

We got our Deer license Sunday!!

The Game Warden came by Sunday and observed a 7 acre bean field. We found 1 bean in the whole field. Not 1 plant, 1 bean!!!

We shot 6 Sunday afternoon. Time to break the 7mm out of storage. One of my Bro-in-laws hit one from 400+ yards! I got it on video.

The Game Warden said he was tired of comming to the house every year. This is the 4 th year in a row where the farm lost $30-50k to deer.

CMNTMXR81 · June 25, 2002

Sounds like you're stocking up on the Venison.

To piss the shrub huggers off even more, it's been an "ozone action day" the past few days here in Chicago, which they suggest that you limit driving, don't fuel your vehicle until after 7pm, refrain from mowing, don't use lighter fluid to light your grill, etc, etc.... So guess what? I did ALL those and more.

I made sure to run the Camaro, Harley, "The Truck", my mower, weedwacker, lit my grill with excessive and unneeded amounts of lighter fluid AND filled up ALL the vehicles with gas BEFORE 7pm mind you. I'm such a bastard!

"F" the environment!!!!

I hope you all join me in extending my middle finger to the environmental wacko's out there

MarkD · June 25, 2002

LMAO!

I would just like for an enviromentalist group to volunteer to pay for the food these deer have been dining on for the last 5 years.

silverado man · June 25, 2002

Here's to all you enviromentalists.

carguru · June 25, 2002

Dihappy · June 25, 2002

Dayum! Did Mother Nature take yalls lunch money or sompin?

Why are you guys so mad.

I guess some of you dont mind breathing filthy, smelly, air in the future or your kids future huh?

Other people trying to tell me that hunting is bad is one thing, but im willing to bet that the majority of hunters out there would do anything to keep our environment clean and healthy, i know i do.

sincityZ71 · June 25, 2002

Dayum! Did Mother Nature take yalls lunch money or sompin?

Why are you guys so mad.

I guess some of you dont mind breathing filthy, smelly, air in the future or your kids future huh?

Other people trying to tell me that hunting is bad is one thing, but im willing to bet that the majority of hunters out there would do anything to keep our environment clean and healthy, i know i do.

Yeah I have to agree with Henry here, the environment is one of my few moderate stances, otherwise I am quite the conservative. I mean, I ain't out there hugging no trees or anything extreme like that, but I d@mn sure do care about my environment and want to do my part to keep it clean so my children and everyone elses can live in a place that is cleaner and healthier for them. There is a big difference between your average Teddy Roosevelt-type environmentalist and environmental fanatics, it is just that the only ones you hear about are the extreme fanatics. ???

WEFs99 · June 25, 2002

Hunting (I'm not a hunter but I'm all for it) and smog control are two separate subjects that attract the same wackos. I do have a question for the tree hugging group though. If a managed aggressive tree harvesting program had been used in Colorado and Arizona creating fire breaks before a fire starts, would we have the fires that are burning now?

ekonk · June 26, 2002

It's interesting that I'll go out of my way to p#$$ off the environmentalist extremists, and I really don't get anything out of it. I do try to avoid damage to the environment (I don't litter, etc. because it really gets me when there's sh## all over when I go fishing). I like stuff like solar power and fuel cells. But for some reason, when someone tells me I shouldn't be driving my car or cutting down a tree, I'll go out and do it for no other reason than to p#$$ them off, and they probably won't even know about it....

People do weird things.

SnakeEyeSS · June 26, 2002

In Chemistry this year we laerned how much pollution that different things emit. We learned this becuase my area is one day_oZone day away from getting California style gas. After learning what we did, you find that you really don't have much "lee-way"(sp) to violate the O-Zone day rules. Its is AMAZING how bad a few drops of gasoline evaporating can mess up the local O-zone meters. Sounds like CMNT did enough violating for about 100 people worth of very slight O-zone contamination!(if that makes since). So CMNT, realize they more you do it, (I'm not worried about the enviornment, just the type of gas the gov will let me use) the closer you are from weak, california style gas!

Frank S · June 26, 2002

Since this kind of got put into a clean air topic I'll give my $.02 on the matter.

The clean air policies,at least in the Houston area,are severely misguided.We now have a 55 mph speed limit to help clean the air.It has been proven in a recent study that this will clean our air up by .02%,rounded up.

We also have tighter vehicle emission standards which I am all for.I have no problem with keeping my truck and the woman's Tahoe in good running condition because this also saves us some money on gas costs by running more efficient.

Through all of this though no one has ever asked the question "How can a metropolitan area with roughly 1/5th the population of the Los Angeles area have as bad if not a worse problem when compared to LA?".The answer is simple:It isn't the vehicles it's the chemical plants on the east end of Houston.

At the risk of sounding environmentally insensitive it is my firm opinion that they can enforce whatever vehicular restrictions they wish and we will not see a noticeable difference in our air.Fact of the matter is that the cars running the roads in this area pollute far less in one month than a chemical plant does on an avergae day with their incenerators and flare stacks running.

I'm not saying I'm against environmental protection or chemical plants but there has to be an understanding here.They are manufacturing petroleum products that are used in all walks of life every day.This has to be done somewhere for us to have these products and the pollution is a by product of the necessity.It may not be right but that's the way it has to be until new manufacturing methods can be found.

Sorry for the length.

MarkD · June 26, 2002

Boy did this take a tangent.

I agree with Y2ZR2k on most of his statements.

My gripe with "environmentalists" is this...

They do not take into account the expense of their proposals on the person/group they are complaining about. Generally, this gripes me about just about anything.

Some of the locals (some hunters included) are complaining about my familys "slaughter" of deer. When they are paying for or absorbing the crop loss I will listen to them.

My inlaws have a hog farm(12,400 capacity). (10) 840 hog houses and (2) 2000 hog houses. This represents a $1.7 million investment. Given that investment, they will pay for themselves in 7 years, while providing a modest income to several workers. After being paid for, they will become fairly profitable.

A law was just passed in SC stating that Hog Farms larger than 7500 hogs must have STATE OF THE ART waste management. While our farm leads the nation in the technology now (1.9 million gallon Slurry tank, not lagoon), 2-3 years from now, it will not. This law created a permanent revenue stream for waste management developers. Again, it doesn't cost them anything.

This is the same type of BS that is running our local farmers into welfare.

CMNTMXR81 · June 26, 2002

My angst against the environmentalist extends from their never ending quest to stifle my freedom to own a gas guzzling, pollution spewing, powerful monster.

The hold these environmentalist whacko's have in Washington has forced the Government to deal in the automotive industry telling them what they need to include on cars. This force has been the death of some great muscle cars simply due to their "excessiveness." Now mind you, if you don't want a powerful automobile/truck, that's fine with me. But don't make it so that I "have" to drive a Geo around due to Governmental laws.

On top of which they are NEVER satisfied. It's not uncommon for OBDII managed automobiles to expend CLEANER air than what they inhale as their emissions system is so efficient. But these extremists are forcing the Government to enact legislation that is even more stringent on the industry.

What many of these nitwits fail to realize is that many of their efforts will eventually hurt us anyway. For instance, in today's automobile, R-134a refridgerant is now standard fare in place of the old R-12 (Freon). Thing is, the old R-12, while contributing to more ozone, was better at thermal exchange. By that I mean it cooled more efficiently and effectively than it's R-134a equivalent. I'm sure if you've driven some newer vehicles with the A/C cranked to the max in a recirc mode, that it gets NOWHERE near as cold as cars 10 years ago did with R-12. What this means, is that in order for R-134a to cool as well as the old R-12, you have to work the compressor harder, working the compressor harder, means the engine required to turn it has a higher load on it, a higher load on it means the engine uses MORE fuel, and spews MORE exhaust out the tailpipe. See what I'm getting at? So how did these shrub huggers help us here? Not only are we less comfortable on a 100 degree day in our vehicle's, we are now polluting more. But hey, we're saving the Ozone!

This trickles down the line, Safety is becoming more and more important and is also on Government legislature that is pressing the automotive industry. However, more safety components in the average vehicle also add up. They add up to MORE weight! More weight, also equals MORE load that the most likely smaller engine must lug around. MORE load equals MORE fuel being consumed resulting in MORE exhaust being emitted out the tailpipe.

It's a circular war the automotive industry is fighting (and I'm not just referring to GM). They can't win no matter what they do. How exactly have these environmental whacko's helped us? Can they legitimately prove that we as a human society will live "X" more years thanks to the automobile having to dispose of billions of dollars to meet their requirements? Will the Earth stay greener for an "X" period of time thanks to them? I don't buy it.

While I will agree, in part to them, todays engine designs from throughout the industry have come leaps and bounds in terms of efficiency from what they were 20, 30, or even 40 years ago. The LS1 and the LS1 derived Vortec engines are a perfect example of that. But I fail to see how I have increased my life span or that of my future offspring (and their offspring) thanks to the shrub huggers.

I tend to believe in the policy that if I'm not comfortable living the way I do, and have to make "concessions" what the h*ll is the point. I want to enjoy my time here, not live with an electric powered vehicle in a solar powered house and use a solar powered grill. I want to have a powerful vehicle that makes no excuses, I want a nicely groomed yard that I can mow whenever I Goddamn well please, and when I'm done, I want to fire up the bar-b and make me a nice, fat juicy steak with NO questions asked.

That's where my angst comes from.

Funny thing, last year at the G/F's parents house, we were outside. My Camaro was in the driveways as were their two Typhoon's, 3 Taurus SHO's, one 1970 Olds 442 (455 SD, 4 speed), and a built 92 Camaro in the driveway. These shrub huggers pull up in a beat up 1969 VW van, that spews as much oil as it drops on the ground, they come up to us and asked us to sign their "environmental petition" about the damage to the wildlife in a nearby area that the city wanted to develop. Both her father and I looked at one another, looked back at this dorky hippie, and politely asked "Take a look around this driveway and tell us your conclusion as to whether or not you think we'll sign your petition!" The hippie looked around and you could see he was getting pissed! He start telling us how we were the downfall of society and the the world is going to #### in a handbasket because of people like us. I quickly blasted back, "let's put your little P.O.S. VW van and my Camaro on the rollers for the IM240 roller emissions test. I bet that 400rwhp car doesn't emit 1/16th what your van does. Now who here is REALLY causing harm to the environment??" With that he started swearing and walked off to his pollution spewing tin can van. I'm sure it wasn't up to acceptable safety standards either! :sarcasm:

firecadet613 · June 26, 2002

Well put Lane. Now about that huge smog cloud hovering above my house....I didn't make all of it, but I think I found out who helped me. I mowed my lawn during the day yesterday, so what, a tiny bit from my lawnmower won't hurt one bit. I'm not changing my life to better the environment in a tiny way. It's my life, and I'll do as I please when I please. Now going out of my way to hurt the environment I do not do, I just don't go out of my way to help it.

Joe

Dihappy · June 27, 2002

they come up to us and asked us to sign their "environmental petition" about the damage to the wildlife in a nearby area that the city wanted to develop.

Thats kinda sad. There are but a few pieces of undisturbed land here in town.

Many of them have wildlife like deer, etc. I am slowly seeing these pieces of land dissapear cuz of a gas station, or a mall, etc.

I woulda signed that petition in a heart beat.