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Can someone summarize all the fuss thats been going on lately with Ford? Thanks I just dont quite understand it.

                                                            :stupid:

Zane Senior Enthusiast

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Blueovalnews.com suposibly has papers to prove Fod lies to the consumer and government.

Also, their sales are way down.

pacodiablo Senior Enthusiast

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heres my opinion on the firestone issue (what most of the lies are centered on)

 

ford took the responsibility to replace the faulty tires which they did not even make...did firestone do anything?? No!  firestone didn't care if hundreds died b/c of their faulty tires.  GM would have done the same as ford did. now the explorer was not the best in rollovers, but it was not directly related to the vehicle.  basically people should not put all the crap on ford, overall it was firestones shoddy workamnship that caused problems. also in several independent tests the explorer handeled fine in a blowout situation, and only 2(i belive) tire related accidents happened on explorers equipped with good years

 

BTW, thanks Mervz for keeping us up to date on this stuff

Jpshostr Senior Enthusiast

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Paco, Ford had as much to do with those tire failures as Firestone did.  They recommended that the tires be inflated several pounds below what Firestone recommended simply so the ride would be a little nicer.  We all know that an underinflated tire builds up much more heat at high speeds than a correctly inflated tire, which increases the chances of blowouts.  As you may recall, all of these tires failed at interstate speeds after extended drives, during which lots of heat was built up.  Is Firestone free of all blame here?  No.  Is Ford free of all blame?  No.  But in my opinion Ford did a wonderful job of shifting almost 100% of the blame onto Firestone, causing that company to have a ruined name forever, I highly doubt they will ever gain back the market share lost and it wouldn't surprise me if they will end up folding several years from now.  

 

If these documents that are claimed to exist actually are true, I wouldn't be surprised to see what I just said above contained in them.

Chev4Ever Enthusiast

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Acutally i remember watching a news special on the explorer/firestone issue.. They set it up so they controlled the blow out on the tire and they did it up to 75 mph and they were able to come to a controlled stop.. They said the main reason for the accidents was for the driver of the vehicle freaked out and lost control..

Stepside Z Senior Enthusiast

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About the tire thing.

As I see it all parties involved were to blame for that one. Firestone makes a marginal tire at best. Ford took a marginal tire and put it on a vehicle that was too heavy and reccomended an unsafe air pressure. Then you add the fact that most people driving SUVs had cars prior to the suv. Remember the talk about the CJ5. It was a very good off road vehicle and when the average joe tried to drive it like there car they rolled it over. Just a thought.

Shaners Senior Enthusiast

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This is just my opinion but, I never thought that Fords' "twin I-Beam suspension" was very good on tires.  Have you ever watched them going down a bumpy highway?  It looks like they are sawing off the front tires as the front end moves up and down....  The tracking width appears to change by several inches!!!

Roofer Senior Enthusiast

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Quote from Chev4Ever, posted on Oct. 03 2001,9:20

Acutally i remember watching a news special on the explorer/firestone issue.. They set it up so they controlled the blow out on the tire and they did it up to 75 mph and they were able to come to a controlled stop.. They said the main reason for the accidents was for the driver of the vehicle freaked out and lost control..

 

I saw the same news special. The thing they didn't tell the viewers is what pressure the rest of the tires were at. Some others on this site including myself have noticed on our BFG's that from 40 to 50 psi there was a big difference in handling. I am staying at 50 psi, it handles so much better. On the news special, they may have had the tires at the correct psi, but most Explorers don't. Not ruling out panicking, but this may have something to do with it also.

bscottb Enthusiast

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Ford has the right to chosse their suppliers. When they use a suppliers parts in their product, the consumer can expect Ford to stand behind it. The people that bought these vehicles didn't buy them from Firestone. If your bumper didn't work correctly would you blame Ford or the bumper manufacturer? Any company has responsibility for their entire product. Even the parts supplied to them by their vendors. Consumers should only deal with Ford, and then Ford should deal with Firestone. Ford has to be held accountable for the suppliers they choose.  This applies to all companies, not just Ford, and not just automotive.

Pastmaster Enthusiast

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I had the Firestone Radial ATX IIs P235/75R15's on my '93 F-150.  The biggest thing was the air pressure.  They could only hold 35psi.  They always looked flat.  The handling was better than the Cooper's I have now.  I think that was a major factor in the Explorer issue.  I know people that have been driving Explorer's for along time, whined about poor handling, and got new tires from the recalls and tell me the handling has improved dramatically.

 

This is just my opinion but, I never thought that Fords' "twin I-Beam suspension" was very good on tires.  Have you ever watched them going down a bumpy highway?  It looks like they are sawing off the front tires as the front end moves up and down....  The tracking width appears to change by several inches!!!

 

In the 7.5 years I've owned my '93 F-150 I've only worn a set of edges out on tires.  I blaim that on not rotating tires correctly.  The Twin-I-Beam and the TTB both require alignments occasionally.  I've had my '93's aligned twice since it was new.  

pacodiablo Senior Enthusiast

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yes, maybe ford had a part in things, but there were MILLIONS of faulty tires and ford replaced ALL of them, firestone did not replace a single tire free of charge.  also, like i said before, there were only 2 accidents similar to the firestone ones on explorers equipped with good years

 

also several tests have been done by independant companies proving the explorer was not the main reason for the accidents, like Chev4Ever said, it was just people freaking out who had little or no idea on how to control a vehicle in a blow out situation

pacodiablo Senior Enthusiast

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another factor was prolly just poor vehicle care...many people who buy explorers are not the most car-intelligent people in the world, many probly did not change the tires or fill them with air when needed

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