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j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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For building an off road truck what's your pick? I was thinking about a 2500 for the stronger chassis, and a diesel because well I love torque! Would the added weight of the diesel cause problems? I'm not talking any exreme offroading, just moderate difficulty stuff.

 

After the chassis choice would you go with a regular cab short box, for minimum length, or would i be fine with say a regular or extended cab long box?

 

It's alot of poll but I'm curious. haha, thanks for your replies guys.

 

Edit: I also added some suspension options.

Silverado4x4 Senior Enthusiast

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1500 or 2500 doesnt matter much but the 2500 is a little heavier then the 1500 and built stronger. Forget about a diesel offroading and mudding as there is two things that kill it offroad, (1) is the weight of the front due to the motor and (2) is diesels dont rev high max rpm is around 3200-3600 rpm so the wheel speed you need mudding wont be there. Instant throttle response in a gas motor is what you need offroad diesels dont have this, by the time you feal the truck bog down in some heavy mud and nail the throttle in a diesel to get wheel speed to spin and clean the treads in the tire and by the time the turbo spools up and the diesel makes its power yer stuck.

Zembonez Senior Enthusiast

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Most of the upgrade in a 2500 is suspension... isn't it? If you install a 6 inch aftermarket lift, you'll be replacing all of the suspension anyway. Seems like the 1500 might be your better bet.

 

Unless... the 2500 has a better transfer case or transmission. Or maybe beefier axles? I don't know what all is different.

 

Hell, I think I'm talking myself out of my own opinion. I think I'll just sit back and see what happens here. :tear:

j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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Most of the upgrade in a 2500 is suspension... isn't it? If you install a 6 inch aftermarket lift, you'll be replacing all of the suspension anyway. Seems like the 1500 might be your better bet.

 

Unless... the 2500 has a better transfer case or transmission. Or maybe beefier axles? I don't know what all is different.

 

Hell, I think I'm talking myself out of my own opinion. I think I'll just sit back and see what happens here. :tear:

 

Haha I always end up doing that to myself. Not surprised you voted for RCSB :nonod:

I believe the 2500hd has a 14-bolt diff as opposed to the 10 in 1500's.

Zembonez Senior Enthusiast

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Most of the upgrade in a 2500 is suspension... isn't it? If you install a 6 inch aftermarket lift, you'll be replacing all of the suspension anyway. Seems like the 1500 might be your better bet.

 

Unless... the 2500 has a better transfer case or transmission. Or maybe beefier axles? I don't know what all is different.

 

Hell, I think I'm talking myself out of my own opinion. I think I'll just sit back and see what happens here. :tear:

 

Haha I always end up doing that to myself. Not surprised you voted for RCSB :nonod:

I believe the 2500hd has a 14-bolt diff as opposed to the 10 in 1500's.

 

Yeah... there are probably real reasons to upgrde to the 2500 if you intend to get serious. The 2500 only comes in a RCLB I believe... as a Reg Cab anyway. For real wheelin, I like the RC setup.

s-ten Enthusiast

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I say that if you were to build a big truck the best would be to do it with a 2500HD. They are designed right from the start with stronger transmissions, axles (half shafts), and suspensions. I would also say in this case a RCLB would be the best option because it is the lightest of the 2500HD series. From what I have seen when a truck is going to see conditions that push it to the limit a heavy duty truck will stand stronger every time.

j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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I never even thought of the fact that you can't get a rcsb 2500, but I love my rclb 1500 so that option works out perfectly for me :tear:

 

Jake, can you explain the difference between half shaft axles and what's in a 1/2 ton?

 

Thanks.

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Half shafts are what comprise the front axle in an independent front suspension, both 1500 and 2500 trucks have them. The difference between them is no different then stepping up to a larger rear axle, just every part is going to be built bigger and stronger. If you look between your wheel and the axle housing in the front suspension, you will see them. I have had friends with lifted half ton trucks that have broke parts in these when the suspension gets twisted up, that is why I mentioned it.

j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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Half shafts are what comprise the front axle in an independent front suspension, both 1500 and 2500 trucks have them. The difference between them is no different then stepping up to a larger rear axle, just every part is going to be built bigger and stronger. If you look between your wheel and the axle housing in the front suspension, you will see them. I have had friends with lifted half ton trucks that have broke parts in these when the suspension gets twisted up, that is why I mentioned it.

 

Oh ok, I was thinking you meant another style of axle. Thanks for the clarification!

 

Oh and I could look but unfortunatly I've got a 1wd so I wouldn't see much :tear:

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1500 or 2500 doesnt matter much but the 2500 is a little heavier then the 1500 and built stronger. Forget about a diesel offroading and mudding as there is two things that kill it offroad, (1) is the weight of the front due to the motor and (2) is diesels dont rev high max rpm is around 3200-3600 rpm so the wheel speed you need mudding wont be there. Instant throttle response in a gas motor is what you need offroad diesels dont have this, by the time you feal the truck bog down in some heavy mud and nail the throttle in a diesel to get wheel speed to spin and clean the treads in the tire and by the time the turbo spools up and the diesel makes its power yer stuck.

 

Do you own a Duramax? It doesnt sound like it. My turbo spools just fine and has no lag. Revs have nothing to do with it, the Duramax will have the same wheelspin a gasser has, and it will have it at a lower engine speed, with better fuel economy.

 

Not even mentioning that the extra weight comes from WAY beefier components.

 

I'll put up a diesel against a gasser anyday. Instant throttle response? Hah. I'll leave you in the dust at any speed.

 

No brainer. Stick to the C-4's. We'll handle the diesels and the C-5's. :nonod:

 

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Half shafts are what comprise the front axle in an independent front suspension, both 1500 and 2500 trucks have them. The difference between them is no different then stepping up to a larger rear axle, just every part is going to be built bigger and stronger. If you look between your wheel and the axle housing in the front suspension, you will see them. I have had friends with lifted half ton trucks that have broke parts in these when the suspension gets twisted up, that is why I mentioned it.

 

Oh ok, I was thinking you meant another style of axle. Thanks for the clarification!

 

Oh and I could look but unfortunatly I've got a 1wd so I wouldn't see much :)

 

 

I knew that your truck was 2WD, I just blanked that. So you are right, there won't be much there.

 

By the way, I admire you taking on Winnipeg winters in a 2WD. The S10 in the corner was my first truck and it was 1WD like yours. It takes a bit if skill and work to handle the snow with vehicles like that.

j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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I see people have voted for Crew Cabs, can you explain your reasoning? Keeping in mind I'm not looking for a people hauler I'm looking for an off-roading truck... Is there logic behind the vote?

j.roffel Senior Enthusiast

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Half shafts are what comprise the front axle in an independent front suspension, both 1500 and 2500 trucks have them. The difference between them is no different then stepping up to a larger rear axle, just every part is going to be built bigger and stronger. If you look between your wheel and the axle housing in the front suspension, you will see them. I have had friends with lifted half ton trucks that have broke parts in these when the suspension gets twisted up, that is why I mentioned it.

 

Oh ok, I was thinking you meant another style of axle. Thanks for the clarification!

 

Oh and I could look but unfortunatly I've got a 1wd so I wouldn't see much :thumbs:

 

 

I knew that your truck was 2WD, I just blanked that. So you are right, there won't be much there.

 

By the way, I admire you taking on Winnipeg winters in a 2WD. The S10 in the corner was my first truck and it was 1WD like yours. It takes a bit if skill and work to handle the snow with vehicles like that.

 

 

Ya it just takes a little bit of finess, only times I've ever gotten stuck I was driving places I shouldnt have been... haha, once so bad that I got a sierra stuck trying to pull me out (but mostly cause the guy didn't know how to pull someone out), had CAA refuse to even try, and had the towing company that pulls the off-road guys out of the floodway get a truck stuck and almost get a second truck stuck until a 10-ton snowplow that was driving on the nearby highway come and plow a huge roadway up to us, all at 3am in -20 winds of course. :)

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omegafiler Senior Enthusiast

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I see people have voted for Crew Cabs, can you explain your reasoning? Keeping in mind I'm not looking for a people hauler I'm looking for an off-roading truck... Is there logic behind the vote?

 

Up to you and what else you want to do with it. I'd personally want it to be a multi-purpose vehicle. So CC is a bit more practical from the people hauler side. RC is too small. And the doors on the EC are reaally annoying. At least to me anyways.

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