His Is Gonna Be Interesting

[ken1mod]

Gentlemen,

 

This is gonna be great. Electric cars are great, the characteristics of an electric motor are great for cars. The problem is making them cordless.

 

Every other "green nonsence" technology has had a conventional backup. Solar water heater, electric backup. Wind power, regular coal plant, solar panels for electricity, the grid. This Nissan Leaf is going to leave people stranded and angry. This is the first "green" technology with teeth to bite the owners squarely on the ass.

 

I think this one is going to be fun to watch.

 

The Chevy Volt could work because of the IC backup but watch the electric car, gonna be a mess.

 

Ken

[old-chevy-dude]

electric cars only have 1 good use.. short, none freeway commuting.. any one using it for any type of freeway or long trip is a moron.

 

you drive under 25 miles 1 way to work AND have the ability to charge it there, then go for it. otherwise if you get stuck and stranded it's your own damn fault.

[Zembonez]

Volt is a quantum leap in automotive hybrid technology. It's one step closer to a viable electric car...

 

I hope it does well.

 

Battery technology is not advanced enough for a decent all electric all the time car just yet, but I bet it will be soon.

[doverarjim]

At work today heard rumor that a local mfg has new technolgy that will extend battery life X 3 for the Volt and or Leaf. GM is looking at it I was told. Doing some work at the airport when a charter plane from GM came in. I can only hope for such news.

[Wingnut]

Volt is a quantum leap in automotive hybrid technology. It's one step closer to a viable electric car...

I hope it does well.

 

Battery technology is not advanced enough for a decent all electric all the time car just yet, but I bet it will be soon.

 

Troof.

 

 

It kills me when people shit all over hybrids and electric cars like somebody was just going to magically come out with a 440 horsepower electric car that can drive 1,000 miles of autocross with the AC on and doing a wheelie.

 

It's going to take several generations of these cars for them to become more viable, more sensible, and more affordable to the masses. The car didn't replace the horse with the first car out of the gate. It took decades of design, redesign, national infrastructure, etc. to make them viable.

 

The same goes for alternative energy resources. It's not like BAM and wind and solar will provide all or most of our energy needs...But as technology advances and mass production eases the entry price...You can bet your ass that it's going to make a helluva difference in our lives.

 

In short...Baby steps. We're taking the first ones right now.

 

I, for one, am not threatened by the notion of eventually having an electric truck. It'll be decades before a good one is available, but they're laying the groundwork for them now with the current crop of hybrids and electric cars. And the NHRA is going to get highly entertaining when they can slap a 5,000 horsepower electric motor that makes all that power from 1 RPM up to whatever the brushes and bearings will hold. Less moving parts, more torque = eyeball jellifying acceleration.

[ken1mod]

Every windmill, every solar panel you see costs jobs because the power they make is at least 10 times more than conventional. Private industry would never do this without government incentives. That is when they tax you to give that money to someone else to do something stupid. More expensive power means more expensive production costs which means someone gets fired to pay the power bill.

 

Durango, Colorado recently did away with curbside recycling which is a waste of time and money to save two jobs in the government there.

 

Environmental lunacy costs more than money, It costs jobs!!

 

Google "wind power problems"

 

Ken

[Matt_]

The automobile costs jobs too... i guess all those blacksmiths and wagon builders had to find new jobs as mechanics

[minibike132]

The automobile costs jobs too... i guess all those blacksmiths and wagon builders had to find new jobs as mechanics

[Zembonez]

Every windmill, every solar panel you see costs jobs because the power they make is at least 10 times more than conventional. Private industry would never do this without government incentives. That is when they tax you to give that money to someone else to do something stupid. More expensive power means more expensive production costs which means someone gets fired to pay the power bill.

 

Durango, Colorado recently did away with curbside recycling which is a waste of time and money to save two jobs in the government there.

 

Environmental lunacy costs more than money, It costs jobs!!

 

Google "wind power problems"

 

Ken

This may be the most absurd statement I have ever seen on GMT.

 

Waste Management (WM - the largest waste management company in the US) nets a full 10 billion dollars of its annual 23 billion dollar income from curbside recycling. They sell re-purposed materials to over 1000 companies that reuse the raw materials and save energy, pollute less, and keep out landfills from overflowing. Are you going to tell me that costs someone a job? REALLY?

 

Your entire post is based on some sort of belief in an old system and nothing to do with facts. Initial costs for new technology are high. Research and development aren't free. Without such progress, you'd be cooking your dinner over a fire and writing on stone tablets...

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Dammit, well at least I still hold the most absurd statement at TMC.

[ken1mod]

Of course waste mgt makes money on curbside recycling. The cities tax their residents to do something stupid. 60% of recycled stuff goes into the landfills. Why do we do this? There is no shortage of landfills in this country. On the jobs thing, google durango colorado recycling. they, and other cities stopped because it is silly. We recycle batteries, aluminum an glass. This works. They will pay you for aluminum and lead. My turkey bones do not recycle well. Many people think they do and they are wrong. Recycling costs, it does not save.

 

Ken

[ken1mod]

Some stuff is just garbage. Why is this so hard to accept?

 

Ken

[Zembonez]

Maybe so, But none of this is.

 

I can't help it if Colorado can't manage it's own way out of a wet paper sack. The system works very well here. So do the windfarms. We can't go on with our heads buried in the sand forever like it's 1950 all over again.

[ken1mod]

Dear Z,

 

It works where you are because they tax you and you don't see the absurd waste. Shouldn't we recycle what it pays to recycle, (aluminum) and trash the rest? If it costs $1.00 for new and $2.00 for recycled stuff, which would you use in your new produced product?

 

If someone wants to recycle crap, they should be able to. No problem. The problem is when the city, driven by insanity, taxes us then pays waste managemnent to run two sets of dirty diesel collection trucks to pick up stuff that is garbage anyway. Curbside recycling may well damage the environment more than proper disposal of garbage.

 

I live in Prescott, Az and the city fathers think they can make us recycle by giving us tiny garbage cans. Guess what,, when the trash can fills, garbage goes into the blue can. Ludicrous.

 

Please don't get me wrong, I want to recycle genuine recycleable stuff that has value. I only bristle about recycling stuff that is going into a landfill anyway and being taxed to do it.

 

Ken

[Zembonez]

I see that we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

We have a recycling program here that works extremely well. It is a purely voluntary program (and yes they do provide a giant blue recycling can). Our waste pickup charges are the same now as they were 5 years ago and the company that does the pickup is not associated with the city. My neighborhood recycles about 70% of their outgoing trash. It's pretty hard to find a negative.

 

Then again... you probably would not like the rules of our HOA either.

 

Ken.