Expected upcoming incentives because of slow sales -- how much?

[towdog]

My GM Card points are topped off to $3K through the end of this month and am trying to figure out if I should go with that or if it will be a much better deal to wait for the better incentives to roll out. Based on past experience, how much would you expect the incentives to be?

 

I just know that between slow sales, Ram diesel coming out, new F150 on the horizon, and the 2015 model year coming up, we're going to start seeing some better incentives. But I have no idea what they might be. What's the most they have been in the past?

 

Thanks.

[MikeNH]

Presidents Day had like $7k off MSRP, not sure what they're going for right now. Honestly I think they're going to keep going up if GM doesn't stop losing market share.

[SLESierra]

7K was only on 4.3 correct?

[nomadicdogg]

I would just be happy if everything could be used together but I lost 2500 because you cant combine... I call bs

[Carder09]

GM will start giving away trucks soon. It's becoming harder and harder to justify getting a GM product when nothing is moving forward. Well, at least in my eye's, it's moving was to slow and people are losing interest. I hope the Canyon/Colorado pull through and smash through the market.

[nomadicdogg]

GM will start giving away trucks soon. It's becoming harder and harder to justify getting a GM product when nothing is moving forward. Well, at least in my eye's, it's moving was to slow and people are losing interest. I hope the Canyon/Colorado pull through and smash through the market.

not sure what you mean by nothing moving forward but I would put some of GM's products from 2008 and up against anything and they stand up the same. The new impala is fantastic, The Terrain and equinox are one of the nicest suv's on the market. The camaro is an animal that is affordable, the new trucks are more refined than ever.

everyone has opinions, but the fact of the matter is GM and even ford and chrysler are all making comparable rivals to other companies and have been for a while now.

As for giving them away.. pretty sure even toyota has rebates and incentives on their new trucks right now too. Since I looked at a tundra not that long ago...

[SLESierra]

not sure what you mean by nothing moving forward but I would put some of GM's products from 2008 and up against anything and they stand up the same. The new impala is fantastic, The Terrain and equinox are one of the nicest suv's on the market. The camaro is an animal that is affordable, the new trucks are more refined than ever.

everyone has opinions, but the fact of the matter is GM and even ford and chrysler are all making comparable rivals to other companies and have been for a while now.

As for giving them away.. pretty sure even toyota has rebates and incentives on their new trucks right now too. Since I looked at a tundra not that long ago...

fact of the matter is GM is losing market share in the pickup segment - the launch for the new generation imho went all wrong and how many commercials have you seen during the olympics announcing the 2500s are setting on the lots? How many commercials announcing the tahoes are on the lots? I believe they need to look at marketing a little different and realize people are not going to keep paying for retirements and perks of corporate managers when the products are becoming lack luster and unexciting when hyped to be something different. Advertise a tow rating and release everything with 3.08 gearing did not help their cause either.

[nomadicdogg]

fact of the matter is GM is losing market share in the pickup segment - the launch for the new generation imho went all wrong and how many commercials have you seen during the olympics announcing the 2500s are setting on the lots? How many commercials announcing the tahoes are on the lots? I believe they need to look at marketing a little different and realize people are not going to keep paying for retirements and perks of corporate managers when the products are becoming lack luster and unexciting when hyped to be something different. Advertise a tow rating and release everything with 3.08 gearing did not help their cause either.

they are loosing market share to ford because the rebates are off the charts, they are losing to dodge, barely and for the first time in a while because of a 1500 diesel, and once those who wanted a 1500 diesel go away it will settle down. the market for a 1500 diesel is only going to be a small percentage.

 

as for paying for retirements, I am happy to know my purchase means an american worker has the ability and right to retire. As for corporate perks and managers.. please explain how other car manufacturers dont have that very same thing.

furthermore, lack luster? unexciting? then why did you buy one? And the tow ratings can be had, its called knowing the ratings and getting the truck you want. every advertiser does that. ford, toyota, dodge, you name it. its consumer knowledge or lack of that lets them get the truck they want or buy what the dont want.

need to tow more than 7000lbs? dont buy a 6 cylinder or a 5.3 with a 3.08. the 3:42 is an orderable option and with a simple search can be found on a dealers lot.

thats not a gm problem, thats an uninformed customer problem. If you dont know what your buying or the ramifications of that why is it anyone elses fault?

and just for reference, mine will have 3:73 gears because I knew my towing needs and ordered the truck I needed to handle that. I didnt order the LT 5.3 with the 3.08 gears because it doesent suit my needs.

I then didnt go and blame GM about it.

 

I dont know if your comment was about the pricing, which they are completely comparable in pricing with every other manufacture out there.

I dont know if your mad your truck isnt what you wanted.... whos fault is that?

or I dont know if your mad that you didnt know other options were at the dealer lot?

any way you slice it none of those are the fault of anyone other than the purchaser.

Know what your buying, know what you need first and want second and make sure you come back to know what your buying.

 

[MikeNH]

GM botched the launch on these. Quality issues aside, they need to stop these stupid limited roll outs. It ruined perception of the Malibu, starting with the Eco model and having severely limited options for the rollout of these trucks was just as bad IMO. I can't recall Ford or Ram doing that.

[nomadicdogg]

the ram diesel that just came out mid model isnt a limited roll out??

[MikeNH]

the ram diesel that just came out mid model isnt a limited roll out??

 

Well for one it wasn't a promised engine back in 2009 when this Ram first came out and maybe not even confirmed when they did the refresh for 2013. Even if you want to call it that, GM did far worse- the Malibu was available only as a stupid mild hybrid for the first few months and of course the trucks were only crew cabs for a few months. No 6.2, top trims not immediately available and so on. I'm pretty sure both Ford and Ram managed to launch with all cab configurations and trims from the get go, though twice now Ford did the big refresh one year then the next added all new motors with the Mustang and F-150.

[nomadicdogg]

Well for one it wasn't a promised engine back in 2009 when this Ram first came out and maybe not even confirmed when they did the refresh for 2013. Even if you want to call it that, GM did far worse- the Malibu was available only as a stupid mild hybrid for the first few months and of course the trucks were only crew cabs for a few months. No 6.2, top trims not immediately available and so on. I'm pretty sure both Ford and Ram managed to launch with all cab configurations and trims from the get go, though twice now Ford did the big refresh one year then the next added all new motors with the Mustang and F-150.

So they brought them out mid year with limited availability. They did the same thing with the camaro's. Those still sold, the new trucks are still selling. In fact if you really look at the numbers sure volume they are behind, and not all that much... if your comparing last year to this year your talking 10-12,000 in rebates on last years truck at this time. I had 10,000 on my 2010 when I bought it ruffly. The price per sale gm is leading the average. Meaning, ford is discounting its trucks a lot. local dealers here advertising 30% or more off sticker. Thats a ton of rebates. Dodge other than the new diesel is doing about the same thing.

Gm hasnt been offering a ton of incentives and doubt they will offer all that many more until fall.

Should they have built all models and trim levels and engine levels before releasing sure.. Why they didnt.. who knows... but that has nothing to do with those who want a new gm truck. Someone on the fence, maybe. But we all know truck buyers are loyal. and to bring a ford guy to gm or vice versa is practically impossible.

 

The fact of the matter, if you want to be upset with something, anything.. be upset with some of the minor quality issues and bugs that they should have had handled before the release. That is the major thing.

 

[MikeNH]

I'm not upset, I wasn't in the market during launch but you're comparing apples to oranges- GM had one CAB available at launch. Stuff like the 6.2 or the sissy diesel in the Ram we can argue all night but this crap with one cab or the early restrictions on the 5.3 which is obviously the volume engine reflect very poorly on them.

[nomadicdogg]

I'm not upset, I wasn't in the market during launch but you're comparing apples to oranges- GM had one CAB available at launch. Stuff like the 6.2 or the sissy diesel in the Ram we can argue all night but this crap with one cab or the early restrictions on the 5.3 which is obviously the volume engine reflect very poorly on them.

so your major complaint is that they released on cab only?

they had to retool all of the other plants, the crew cab plant was the first one ready. Should they have waited.. yes but did it sour true gm buyers not one bit. and the other cab models were available very shortly. The fact they did a midyear release is still most of the reasoning for that which I never understood. but they have sold well, are selling well and when you look apples to apples as you mentioned they are selling just fine. heck you put 10,000 rebate on a nissan truck and it will sell like hotcakes to because some of the market is soley price based. But true truck buyers are brand loyal. I am one of them. Only reason I even looked at a toyota is because my local chevy dealer is also a toyota dealer and they are on the same lot.

 

so sure, they released the truck to soon with to many constraints, but after 2 months that issue was solved and has nothing to do with the perception of poor sales right now.

 

[MikeNH]

Perception of poor sales? I understand rebates come and go (you mentioned Ford has big rebates now- GM had the same this time last year on the 2013s) but 18% is a huge drop no matter how you cut it. I want GM to succeed with these trucks but as much as I'd like to think things have changed there in terms of incompetent management, I'm not so sure. I know he's back in some sort of consulting position but GM needs Lutz back in upper management or someone like him who isn't afraid to rock the boat. I largely work by myself and for the past two years I've worked remote from my employers office. When I return there for special projects or training it boggles my mind at how much time is squandered with BS and infighting. That is with a company of 70ish people, I can only imagine how bad a big place like GM will be without shakers and movers.