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Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

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The new Tacomas aren't that much better for city driving. The extra cab ones are almost as big as a full-size truck now! And as for fuel economy, they don't do that much better than say the 4.8L V8 on a Silverado. And yeah, the back seat is waaay roomier on the Silverado. I say go for it. You can't go wrong with a Silverado. And if you get it, post pics! :loser:

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The new Tacomas aren't that much better for city driving. The extra cab ones are almost as big as a full-size truck now! And as for fuel economy, they don't do that much better than say the 4.8L V8 on a Silverado. And yeah, the back seat is waaay roomier on the Silverado. I say go for it. You can't go wrong with a Silverado. And if you get it, post pics! :loser:

 

Well, the silverado I would purchase would have the 5.3L. As much as I'd like the 6.0 liter, I think the 5.3 would be the best engine to get (I feel the 4.8 is too anemic).

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Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

 

I have had both I missed my full size so I went back to a full size from my last two trucks 05 and 06 tacoma's 1 access cab (ext cab) one double cab (crew cab) you would want the double cab longbed if you wanted to bring friends and have a bed 6' ( picture of mine attached)

 

Both had 32's and a leveling kit 3" lift. I got about 12-14 in town and 17-18 HYW

 

Silvy gets 16 HYW (with LIFT and 35s and 12 in the city). 11.8 Curently on DIC I live 3 miles from work and stop off at the baby sitters everyday so a few starts and lots of stop and go..

 

the extras GM has are WAY BETTER!!!

dual climate- remote start-DIC-Power Seats etc. etc. just seems more refined... (granted it probably won't last 300K plus but i get rid of vehicles every year or so...)

 

 

 

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and the access cab

 

tacoma41024x768.jpg

Posted
Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

 

I have had both I missed my full size so I went back to a full size from my last two trucks 05 and 06 tacoma's 1 access cab (ext cab) one double cab (crew cab) you would want the double cab longbed if you wanted to bring friends and have a bed 6' ( picture of mine attached)

 

Both had 32's and a leveling kit 3" lift. I got about 12-14 in town and 17-18 HYW

 

Silvy gets 16 HYW (with LIFT and 35s and 12 in the city). 11.8 Curently on DIC I live 3 miles from work and stop off at the baby sitters everyday so a few starts and lots of stop and go..

 

the extras GM has are WAY BETTER!!!

dual climate- remote start-DIC-Power Seats etc. etc. just seems more refined... (granted it probably won't last 300K plus but i get rid of vehicles every year or so...)

 

 

 

IMG_07101024x768.jpg

 

and the access cab

 

tacoma41024x768.jpg

 

 

 

 

I don't see why it wouldn't last 300K plus miles with good maintenance just like any other truck. The perception that Toyotas last longer is just that - a perception. :loser:

Posted
Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

 

I have had both I missed my full size so I went back to a full size from my last two trucks 05 and 06 tacoma's 1 access cab (ext cab) one double cab (crew cab) you would want the double cab longbed if you wanted to bring friends and have a bed 6' ( picture of mine attached)

 

Both had 32's and a leveling kit 3" lift. I got about 12-14 in town and 17-18 HYW

 

Silvy gets 16 HYW (with LIFT and 35s and 12 in the city). 11.8 Curently on DIC I live 3 miles from work and stop off at the baby sitters everyday so a few starts and lots of stop and go..

 

the extras GM has are WAY BETTER!!!

dual climate- remote start-DIC-Power Seats etc. etc. just seems more refined... (granted it probably won't last 300K plus but i get rid of vehicles every year or so...)

 

 

 

IMG_07101024x768.jpg

 

and the access cab

 

tacoma41024x768.jpg

 

 

Beautiful trucks you had there! Did the tacomas give you any trouble???

 

I would tend to agree that the Silverados are much better equipped: Climate control, power sliding rear window, information center, automatic starter, power seats, and on and on... Those are the reasons I am considering the silverado (plus the fact I loved mine).

 

I'm also curious: Maintenance-wise which brand was cheaper overall??? This truck with be a graduation gift to myself... My 5 year plan includes throwing as much money as possible at my student loans, then once those are paid off, I'll buy a house (towards the end of 5 years). So I'd like to keep overall costs down. BUT, with the GM incentives, a Silverado LT extended cab with leather and the 5.3 can be had for 3-4 grand more than the tacoma. But, that 4 grand gets you A LOT more truck...

Posted
Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

 

I have had both I missed my full size so I went back to a full size from my last two trucks 05 and 06 tacoma's 1 access cab (ext cab) one double cab (crew cab) you would want the double cab longbed if you wanted to bring friends and have a bed 6' ( picture of mine attached)

 

Both had 32's and a leveling kit 3" lift. I got about 12-14 in town and 17-18 HYW

 

Silvy gets 16 HYW (with LIFT and 35s and 12 in the city). 11.8 Curently on DIC I live 3 miles from work and stop off at the baby sitters everyday so a few starts and lots of stop and go..

 

the extras GM has are WAY BETTER!!!

dual climate- remote start-DIC-Power Seats etc. etc. just seems more refined... (granted it probably won't last 300K plus but i get rid of vehicles every year or so...)

 

 

 

IMG_07101024x768.jpg

 

and the access cab

 

tacoma41024x768.jpg

 

 

Beautiful trucks you had there! Did the tacomas give you any trouble???

 

I would tend to agree that the Silverados are much better equipped: Climate control, power sliding rear window, information center, automatic starter, power seats, and on and on... Those are the reasons I am considering the silverado (plus the fact I loved mine).

 

I'm also curious: Maintenance-wise which brand was cheaper overall??? This truck with be a graduation gift to myself... My 5 year plan includes throwing as much money as possible at my student loans, then once those are paid off, I'll buy a house (towards the end of 5 years). So I'd like to keep overall costs down. BUT, with the GM incentives, a Silverado LT extended cab with leather and the 5.3 can be had for 3-4 grand more than the tacoma. But, that 4 grand gets you A LOT more truck...

 

 

neither truck has given me any issues.. (I had a 7yr 100K mile on the taco)

 

both trucks are under warranty so delaer paids for anything but nothing major!!

 

I sold my 06 DC with 40K on it for 24K and bought my 07 Silverado with lift for 28K only 9500miles on it.

put some money in it but love it!! (just can't think of the MPG or it will drive me nuts.)

Posted
Hello, I'm hoping for some insight. I owned a 1999 Silverado and loved it, despite its problems (Dashboard Gauges died x3, the ABS chip fried, power windows dead x5, A/C leak, engine knock). It was fun and comfortable to drive, but I lost her when I was rear ended on the highway.

 

I replace it with a 2007 wrangler. It was fun for the first 2 years, but the headaches aren't worth it (parking brake x4, leaking soft top x7, clutch issues x3, etc.). I'm getting rid of it this spring, before the warranty expires.

 

Until now, I figured I'd get a Tacoma. I don't really need a full size pickup, but I find myself missing the utility of the bed (for snowboards, camping gear, bikes, shopping sprees). The tacoma holds its resale value well, is all the truck I'll ever need, and is a great size for city (Boston) driving. The fuel economy is pretty decent too. Not to mention the good reputation for Toyota Quality (Hey, anything is better than this Chrysler POS I have right now).

 

Well, this weekend I went out with some friends in an '08 Silverado WT. It brought back many memories! The engine sounded the same, the ride felt the same, and overall it made me really want a silverado again! My main two arguments for getting the Silverado over the Tacoma right now are as follows: Factory remote start (I'd have to go aftermarket for the tacoma) and larger rear seat (I want to be able to bring friends around if needed, and the Toyota Access Cab just isn't very large!).

 

 

So I'm curious as to how the newest Silverado are holding up quality-wise. I'm curious to see if any of you cross-shopped a Full size pickup to a mid-sized pickup. I'm curious as to how good the silverado's Fuel economy is. I'm not looking for "Toyota is foreign" arguments!!! So please contribute, and let me know if the Silverado is worth the upfront cost premium!

 

I have had both I missed my full size so I went back to a full size from my last two trucks 05 and 06 tacoma's 1 access cab (ext cab) one double cab (crew cab) you would want the double cab longbed if you wanted to bring friends and have a bed 6' ( picture of mine attached)

 

Both had 32's and a leveling kit 3" lift. I got about 12-14 in town and 17-18 HYW

 

Silvy gets 16 HYW (with LIFT and 35s and 12 in the city). 11.8 Curently on DIC I live 3 miles from work and stop off at the baby sitters everyday so a few starts and lots of stop and go..

 

the extras GM has are WAY BETTER!!!

dual climate- remote start-DIC-Power Seats etc. etc. just seems more refined... (granted it probably won't last 300K plus but i get rid of vehicles every year or so...)

 

 

 

IMG_07101024x768.jpg

 

and the access cab

 

tacoma41024x768.jpg

 

 

Beautiful trucks you had there! Did the tacomas give you any trouble???

 

I would tend to agree that the Silverados are much better equipped: Climate control, power sliding rear window, information center, automatic starter, power seats, and on and on... Those are the reasons I am considering the silverado (plus the fact I loved mine).

 

I'm also curious: Maintenance-wise which brand was cheaper overall??? This truck with be a graduation gift to myself... My 5 year plan includes throwing as much money as possible at my student loans, then once those are paid off, I'll buy a house (towards the end of 5 years). So I'd like to keep overall costs down. BUT, with the GM incentives, a Silverado LT extended cab with leather and the 5.3 can be had for 3-4 grand more than the tacoma. But, that 4 grand gets you A LOT more truck...

 

 

neither truck has given me any issues.. (I had a 7yr 100K mile on the taco)

 

both trucks are under warranty so delaer paids for anything but nothing major!!

 

I sold my 06 DC with 40K on it for 24K and bought my 07 Silverado with lift for 28K only 9500miles on it.

put some money in it but love it!! (just can't think of the MPG or it will drive me nuts.)

 

 

Those were some nice looking Tacomas

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I owned a 07 Tacoma dbl cab 4x4 TRD prior to me purchasing a 09 Silverado Z-71and before that I owned a 00 GMC Sierra. I loved the looks of the Tacoma but the ride was crap and the fuel mileage is not much better than a Silverado equipped with the 5.3. The Silverado is also more refined and has more creature comforts than the Tacoma. The Tacoma has a nice interior with nice seats but the interior is noisey when traveling 65-75 down the freeway and even worse when bucking a head wind. Bottom line spend the extra money and buy the full size truck and you will not be disappointed. I made the mistake once of buying a smaller truck and wish I would have never done it.

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Sorry to hear you had so many problems with your 99. I bought one brand new and never had any real issues. The 4WD switch went out but that was a $50 fix and 5 minutes work. When I traded it for my 08 truck, it had 77K on it ans still had the original pads and rotors.

 

My 08 has the 6.0L motor and I got it primarily for more towing power to haul my car and trailer and I got that with nearly 100 more HP and torque. This truck has more options than the 99 but it was fully loaded at the time too.

 

So far, I am very pleased with my 08. The build quality is excellent, mileage is slightly better even with the bigger motor and the best part, I got it for almost 30% off the MSRP :lol:

 

I don't think you will be disappointed with another Silverado.

Posted

I have posted about this subject before, and I'll try to keep this civil and not offend those who have/have had new-style Taco's (2005 and later with the Access Cab and plastic bed). I wish I had bought a 2004 or earlier. Hey if they work for you, fine. Here's my experience:

 

I still have my 1990 Toyota 4x4 X-Cab, 356,000 miles and runs great.

 

In January 2007 I bought a brand-new Taco, Access Cab, 4x4, trailer package, TRD Off-Road, premium sound package, 4.0 V-6, 6-speed manual, cost a hair under $29,000. I kept it 5 months and 6,000 miles and traded it for a 2006, 25,000 mile GMC Sierra SLT X-Cab 4x4, trailer package, 5.3 liter, heated leather, G80. Z71, Boze CD changer, yadda, yadda, yadda. Paid $26,800 (give me a break, that was in June of 2007, before the big recession).

 

I HATED that Taco. The TRD "Sport Seats" had a lumbar support that crippled my back even at full retract. I took two trips over 200 miles and both times had to stop twice to get out and stretch and rest my back. I have driven my 1990 Toyota over 900 miles in a day several times and always felt comfortable. The Taco had no room for my size 9-1/2 feet. Transmission sucks, 1st gear won't get you through the intersection, the computer holds the engine speed up at 3,000 RPM, shift to second, lurch and jump. Only usable gears are 2nd, 4th, and 6th. By the way, the transmission is made in Japan, the rest of the truck is US manufactured. I got 16 MPG with that truck. My Sierra gets 18 around town and 20 + on the highway. Taco visibility was horrible, the "A" pillars blocked vision enough that I nearly got nailed a couple of times at intersections. I could NOT see other vehicles closing at 90* angles. Rear door windows don't open, and are a lot smaller than they seem. Most of the glass is overlapped by upholstery inside. If I lowered the side windows even 1/2 inch in the rain, all the water came in and ran right smack down into the electric window control panels on the door armrest. Added window fairings to fix that. On steep hills in Seattle, when holding the brake pedal for a couple of minutes, the pedal would slowly go all the way to the floor, and I'd have to re-stroke the pedal to hold the truck. Went to dealer and tried three other trucks, they all did the same thing. The exhaust system made an annoying rumble/resonance in the cabin that drove me nuts. The light grey colored interior showed every fingerprint and was terrible to try to keep clean. The sound system did produce a lot of noise, but not anything you might call music. If I had kept the vehicle, it would have had to be replaced with aftermarket. Kind of hard to swallow since it was a $760 option. I had the truck on muddy logging roads twice and the front tires spun all the mud and crud right into the engine compartment, where it hit the fan and got well distributed. My house is in a wooded area and the alder tree sap got into the paint and made thousands of tiny pimples and when I tried to clean it off, the pimples came off, leaving tiny white spots. Black truck with white primer, good deal. The dealer did both the initial 500-mile service and the 5,000 mile service and oil change, then at the 6,000 mile mark it started tossing big gobs of white oil smoke on start-up. I figured there was no way I wanted to go to war with Toyota over a warranty engine on a truck I hated anyway, so I went to the GMC dealer, tossed the keys to the salesman, and said, "I ain't driving that pig home, what else ya got?" Go to www.toyotanation.com and research collapsing tailgates, plastic beds that have the sides rip out, read fenderws that fall off, etc., etc.

 

Your experience may vary, and if all you want is a 3/4 scale plastic model of a truck, then the Taco may work for you. All I can say is I HATED that thing and I LOVE my GMC.

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Well, when I was shopping for a truck, my main concern was fuel economy. After looking up info, driving a few trucks, and shopping around I decided to get my Sierra. The fuel economy and the comfort of the truck was what won me over. I was looking at full size GM's, Frontier's, Tacoma's, and Colorado/Canyon's. Those don't get much better fuel economy and aren't as comfortable in my opinion. My Sierra gets around 17 mpg city and 20+ mpg on the freeway. If the Tacoma or the Frontier got at least 10 pg better in the city or highway, that's the only way I'd consider it and even then, I'd be wanting a GM.

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I agree with 06 Pirate on the tranny. I drove a buddy's 07 Tacoma, V6, 6 speed and I actually thought it rode smoothly but you're dead on about first gear. I never exceeded 40 MPH when I drove it. I also was not impressed with the acceleration on the Tacoma. My buddy loves it, though. I only wish GM had a tough manual tranny option for the Silverados.

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according to gm the 5.3 and 6 speed gets better mpg than the 4.8 or the 6 cyl so get the 5.3 and enjoy it. i average in the 16s with mixed driving and can get 20 if i set the cruise at 70 on the highway and mine is a 4wd CC. Hands down the full size truck...enjoy the extra space. BTW, the 99's were a new body style/drivetrain, the kinks are pretty much worked out of them since then.

Posted

Thanks for the replies guys. I appreciate them. The decision is a tough one! Cost is definitely a factor, and I'm willing to be the incentive options (rebates) will be gone when I'm ready to buy (June-July).

 

I was originally going to get a Tacoma for the next 4 years so I can throw as much money at student loans as possible when I graduate. The tacoma has stellar resale value (very little difference in cost from used to new), which I figured would come in handy when it came time to buy the LTZ Silvy I wanted.

 

I know the company I just got hired with (CVS) offers a GM discount, however I'm not sure what it entails, or if it even covers the silverado. Insurance-wise, they seem to be quite close in cost to insure, as is maintenance costs (Per Motor trend's long term test updates....).

 

I guess it comes down to whether or not a GM dealership will work with me on price. Reading a thread on here makes it seem like you can expect HUGE cost savings if you haggle right (Toyota's prices are pretty set in stone), but I don't know how much to expect off (Also, I'm unsure if the prices stated included a trade in vehicle). If I could be OTD with a 4x4 extended cab, LT1 (with leather buckets) or LTZ, with rear sliding window, BOSE speakers, power everything, and towing package, for 33k, I'd bite, but Edmunds.com makes it seem like I'd have to sacrifice a lot to get to that price.

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    • Just don't turn the steering wheel as much?
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