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Glovebox warning about slide in camper on 2012 1500 crew cab

Matte454

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My truck has a sticker in the glovebox that says do not use a slide in camper. What consequences/risk are there and why are these trucks so special that they can't? Is there something I don't know about? Would I void my warranty? What makes a camper different then a load of rocks? Really curious as my brother has a 7 foot 800lb import camper with the jacks widened and a support box to raise it to fit full size trucks. I have a 2012 1500short bed crew cab with tow package.

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I think the answer lies in both the fact that it is a 1/2T and it has a short box. GM assumes that the majority of pickup campers are of the 8' range and weigh several thousand lbs. The short bed would put a normal 8' camper's center of gravity behind the axle - and have too much camper stick out behind the bed - even with the tailgate down.

 

That said, the type of camper designed for import trucks should be OK as it's overall length would fit into the bed - without hanging over the tailgate - and the COG would be ahead of the rear axle.

 

GM used to publish a document for camper loading which showed the truck COG and the range for the camper COG. It also listed most of the optional items and how much weight they added to the front and rear axles.

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Thank you for the clear reply. I'm sure it's much safer legally to just say no then trust people to use a chart and judgement. It would be down right embarrassing if a half ton ranger could haul something a half ton couldn't.

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What's even more embarrassing is how easily these things crumple up like a tin can with the smallest of impacts.

 

 

In '09 I backed into a 5" diameter maple sapling at less than walking speed. My foot was actually on the brake and the truck a millisecond away from being totally stopped. Obviously, my eyes weren't where they were supposed to be .... Caused $2k in damage!! Crushed the pretty chrome bumper end flat, and warped the box so badly it had to be put on a frame machine at $90/hour! After paint, and extensive body work around the tailgate mounts, I was $2k poorer. :nonod:

 

Didn't know who to be the most angry with -- myself for being an idiot ... or GM for building a $30k dollar tin can!!

 

 

With all that said, after my experience I'd be hesitant to put anything real heavy back there - especially something that rests on the bed rails ... just my .02.

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Can't blame GM, they all use tissue paper sheet metal. Blame the feds for deciding that they have any business dictating how much gas a vehicle should use.

Jsdirt Senior Enthusiast

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Yeah, you have a point there ....

 

Welcome to the business dealings of 21st century I guess. :(

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