Royal Purple Having Some Issues

[Black02Silverado]

Thought this was interesting. Royal Purple is having some problems. Being a small company they do not have the money to do the millions of tests to prove their claims.

[compulynx]

While I agree this is nothing but Goliath bullying David, I also have problems with companies making statements such as "reduces wear 80%"....

 

80% compared to what, butter?

 

I see both sides

 

C

[brims]

Neither does Amsoil, no Dexron VI ATF. And who knows what else hasn't been tested.

[oldschool327]

Here is the new improved AMSOIL ATL. It is for our Detron VI tranny's.

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/atl.aspx

 

Here is an article that gives a good inside look as to why I use AMSOIL and the problems your dealship could give you. One good thing is if the dealer "voids" your warranty AMSOIL will warranty it for you!

http://www.smartsynthetics.com/products/am...ssion_fluid.htm

[brims]

Here is the new improved AMSOIL ATL. It is for our Detron VI tranny's.

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/atl.aspx

 

Here is an article that gives a good inside look as to why I use AMSOIL and the problems your dealship could give you. One good thing is if the dealer "voids" your warranty AMSOIL will warranty it for you!

http://www.smartsynthetics.com/products/am...ssion_fluid.htm

 

It's not certified as Dexron VI, just because the words Dexron VI appear on that webpage does not mean it is certified. Only thing it says is it's recommended for use with transmissions requiring Dexron VI.

 

Someone said that Dexron VI certification is really expensive and that's why Amsoil hasn't been certified. That's one possibility, another is that Amsoil knows that it can't pass so doesn't want to spend the money to be rejected and then have that on their record.

[Silverado4x4]

Here is an article that gives a good inside look as to why I use AMSOIL and the problems your dealship could give you. One good thing is if the dealer "voids" your warranty AMSOIL will warranty it for you!

http://www.smartsynthetics.com/products/am...ssion_fluid.htm

 

Yeah but who wants to go through all that BS.

[oldschool327]

Greta point Brims but I am positive AMSOIL would pass and I am sure Royal Purple would also. The Magnusun Moss act prevents Manufactures to require us to use a specific brand of oil or they would have to provide it for free the lenght of the vehicle life. I am sure Royal Purple will have to adjust their claims but the larger oil companies need to stop bullying the little guy. Some of the little guys actually make a superior lube. Here is the MM Act reference for all that might have a problem down the road.

Keep in mind it applies to all.........

 

If you are interested in using AMSOIL motor oil, but concerned that using a synthetic oil or extending your oil drain interval will void his warranty, you have no need for concern. Congress in 1975 enacted the federal Magnuson-Moss Act to regulate written consumer product warranties. An examination of the law reveals warranties remain intact when AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants are used.

 

The law was meant to give consumers detailed information about warranty coverage before they buy.

 

Congress charged the Federal Trade Commission with creation of the specifics of the law.

 

The FTC set down three rules under the Act: the Disclosure Rule, the Pre-Sale Availability Rule and the Dispute Resolution Rule.

 

Those rules require warrantors to title their written warranty as either full or limited, provide a single, clear and easy-to-read document that spells out certain information about coverage and ensure that warranties are available where the products are sold so that consumers can read them before buying.

 

In passing the Act, Congress meant to give consumers access to warranty information, let consumers comparison shop for warranties, encourage warranty competition and promote timely and complete performance of warranty obligations.

 

While the Magnuson-Moss Act does not require manufacturers to provide a written warranty, it provides specific rules when one is provided. Among those provisions, FTC regulations state: © No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. (15 U.S.C.2302©)

 

That means your warranty stands when you use AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants.

 

Vehicle manufacturers recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether its conventional petroleum motor oil or synthetic, meeting the correct viscosity grade, 5W-30 for example, and the current API and ILSAC North American service classifications may be used without affecting warranty coverage. AMSOIL motor oils are recommended for use in applications requiring these specifications.

 

Furthermore, the practice of extending oil drain intervals does not void warranties. Original equipment manufacturers pay or deny warranty claims based on the findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil didn't cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of brand or length of time in use.

 

Synthetic motor oil was introduced to the automotive public in 1972 by AMSOIL, INC., with the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil specially formulated for long service and superior performance and protection to that of conventional oils.

 

Nearly 30 years ago, AMSOIL synthetics represented a vision of the future and technology ahead of their time. Since then, every major engine oil manufacturer has introduced synthetic oils of their own. To be sure, many original equipment manufacturers would like you to believe you can only use their products. However, it's a violation of the consumer protections set forth in the Magnuson-Moss Act, unless they're willing to provide you those products free of charge.

 

AMSOIL offers a warranty that covers the cost of repair or replacement of a proven mechanically sound engine damaged as a result of using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil. However, it has never happened. Thirty years of experience proves AMSOIL can be installed in any vehicle with complete confidence.

 

AMSOIL further backs its products with action when a Dealer or customer reports being told their warranty is voided if they use synthetics.

 

If you have heard from any member of a business that the use of AMSOIL Motor Oil or the practice of extending drain intervals will void warranties, send AMSOIL all the details including the name of the business, business owner or manager and the individual making the claims, in a signed and dated letter. Send the letter to the Technical Services Department at corporate headquarters and an AMSOIL representative will send them a letter explaining the facts.

 

Access to the complete Magnuson-Moss Act is available on the Internet by key words Magnuson-Moss Act or Federal Trade Commission.

[brims]

Greta point Brims but I am positive AMSOIL would pass and I am sure Royal Purple would also. The Magnusun Moss act prevents Manufactures to require us to use a specific brand of oil or they would have to provide it for free the lenght of the vehicle life. I am sure Royal Purple will have to adjust their claims but the larger oil companies need to stop bullying the little guy. Some of the little guys actually make a superior lube. Here is the MM Act reference for all that might have a problem down the road.

Keep in mind it applies to all.........

 

Dexron VI isn't a brand, it's a standard.

[oldschool327]

OK got it, technicalities. From the act above;

 

Vehicle manufacturers recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification.

 

So GM recommeds Dexron VI and the other oil manufacture say their oil is a recommeded oil then apples to apples right?

 

BTW if you look at my member introduction you will see that I am factory trained Hydro-Matic technition (12 Years).

[dlstewart01]

Kind of ironic that BP Castrol would take any one before NAD after all they are the ones who started advertising group 111 oil as a true synthetic. Mobil 1 took them before NAD and lost. That opened the flood gates on group 111 being called synthetic.

 

And yes I use Castrol....German Castrol the European formula 0W30 a true group 1V synthetic.

 

 

Also Dexron V1 is the real deal. I was using Mobil 1 synthetic trans fluid and switched to dexron V1 in my truck and my wifes Buick. I have a smother trans with improved shifts with the new Dexron. It comes in simi synthetic and synthetic.

[brims]

OK got it, technicalities. From the act above;

 

Vehicle manufacturers recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification.

 

So GM recommeds Dexron VI and the other oil manufacture say their oil is a recommeded oil then apples to apples right?

 

BTW if you look at my member introduction you will see that I am factory trained Hydro-Matic technition (12 Years).

 

They say their oil is recommended, but their oil is also certified.

[dlstewart01]

GM licenses other manufacturers to produce Dexron V1. Some are Pennzoil, Castrol, and Valvoline. These oils are approved by GM and meet warranty requirements. GM does not require that you use their oil, just that you use a GM approved oil.

[oldschool327]

GM can not require you to use a GM approved specific oil, You just have to use one that meets the specs. Never seen a single trans failure from even the cheapest nor the most expensive of any available oil. You know those Autozone type brands? Even those will be fine. Most failures come from abuse or neglect, even seen one guy stick Type F in a 4L70, not a pretty picture.

[dlstewart01]

GM can not require you to use a GM approved specific oil, You just have to use one that meets the specs. Never seen a single trans failure from even the cheapest nor the most expensive of any available oil. You know those Autozone type brands? Even those will be fine. Most failures come from abuse or neglect, even seen one guy stick Type F in a 4L70, not a pretty picture.

 

I beg your pardon but they can and could void the warrenty. Moss magnason only says they cannot force you to buy their oil. They can say what specs you must use and then you can buy from whom ever has it. They have done it many times along with Ford and Chrysler.

 

http://www.lemonlaw.com/wordpress/will-an-...urers-warranty/

 

Moss Mag covers brand not specs

 

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement Act and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission, a manufacturer may not make its vehicle warranty conditional on the use of any specific brand of motor oil, oil filter or any other component, unless the manufacturer provides it to the

customer free of charge. An equipment manufacturer can obtain a waiver if it

proves to the FTC that its equipment will function properly only if specific

brands of motor oil, oil filters or other components are used. The FTC must

be satisfied that this is in the public interest, and this waiver must be

published in the Federal Register. This is considered a "waiver" of the

prohibitions on conditions of written warranty.

 

If an OEM requires a customer to use its motor oil and oil filters, the

customer should demand the products free of charge. If the demand is

refused, the customer should ask for a copy of the warrantor`s approved FTC waiver. You should also be aware that you may have additional rights under applicable state warranty laws, which can vary from state to state.

 

Among those provisions, FTC regulations state:* ³© No warrantor of a

consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such

product on the consumer¹s using, in connection with such product, any

article or service (other than article or service provided without charge

under the terms of warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or

corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived

by the Commission if * (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the

warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so

identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the

Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.²* (42 U.S.C.

2302 ©)

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Albert Rich, ADR Oil Company, Wholesale Jobber;

Office 321-287-1981

www.ADRoil.com

Email; [email protected]

 

Look in your owners manual, it will specify what oils to use and will say you warranty may be voided if you do not comply. There is a reason for this.........

[oldschool327]

GM can not require you to use a GM approved specific oil, You just have to use one that meets the specs. Never seen a single trans failure from even the cheapest nor the most expensive of any available oil. You know those Autozone type brands? Even those will be fine. Most failures come from abuse or neglect, even seen one guy stick Type F in a 4L70, not a pretty picture.

 

I beg your pardon but they can and could void the warrenty. Moss magnason only says they cannot force you to buy their oil. They can say what specs you must use and then you can buy from whom ever has it. They have done it many times along with Ford and Chrysler.

 

http://www.lemonlaw.com/wordpress/will-an-...urers-warranty/

 

 

 

That is what I had stated above: "You just have to use one that meets the specs."

After that you just need a good Legal Beagle right?