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jrod332 Enthusiast

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Remember who paid for this study.....

 

yeah im sure if Pennzoil was to pay for the study and come up with their own there would be a new set of results. I dont see amasoil doing a test on comparing fluids and then putting their own somewhere other than the top.

Black02Silverado Senior Enthusiast

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Remember who paid for this study.....

 

yeah im sure if Pennzoil was to pay for the study and come up with their own there would be a new set of results. I dont see amasoil doing a test on comparing fluids and then putting their own somewhere other than the top.

 

 

You have to remember that if any of this information was false then it couldn't be published or major law suites would follow. All tests conducted are the lubrication industry standards.

 

One thing that this shows is you have a choice of what fluid to use. So now you have a better understanding of the lubricants out there that are a good quality fluid. It helps you make an informed decision and not just a purchase due to the company that has the most money to mass market and promote their product.

 

AMSOIL has been around for over 38yrs. They are a small company and promote their product through a network of independent dealers. If they didn't sell a quality product they wouldn't still be around today, since they don't mass advertise or have the name recognition of the other synthetic brands.

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

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Yeah it was 38 years ago, a synthetic motor oil was developed by Hatco for Al Amatuzio in 1972 and marketed by Amsoil. The product was a 10W-40 based entirely on a diester (DTDA). Hatco also produced the synthetic oils for Pacer and Zenex (different formulations from the Amsoil product), as well as for many of the other early synthetic oil companies of the era.

 

Interestingly, the President of Pacer Lubricants at the time was John Williams, father of Jodi who started Royal Purple.

Black02Silverado Senior Enthusiast

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AMSOIL has been around for over 38yrs.

 

So has snake oil.

 

Patented Snake Oil remedies originated in England, where a patent was granted to Richard Stoughton's Elixir in 1712. So yeah, it has been around a long time. :)

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

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Oil companies have labs. They continually check each others oil looking for a weakness. How do you think that valvoline caught Mobil 1 out of spec on the sequence IV4 test.

 

So when they find a bad or weak formulation they make sure thats the one tested. Its marketing pure and simple. They all do it, some much more than others. I never put much stock in these published test.

96chevy7.4L Enthusiast

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I see AMSOIL paid for the testing but they didn't do it. It was done by someone else. Either way I thought it was interesting to see. The affidavits were the eye cathcer. The means they were a lil less biased.

96chevy7.4L Enthusiast

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I see AMSOIL paid for the testing but they didn't do it. It was done by someone else. Either way I thought it was interesting to see. The affidavits were the eye cathcer. The means they were a lil less biased.

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

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I see AMSOIL paid for the testing but they didn't do it. It was done by someone else. Either way I thought it was interesting to see. The affidavits were the eye cathcer. The means they were a lil less biased.

 

 

Yeah.... :) some post on amsoils white paper published in 2007 from bobistheoilguy.com

 

I don't want to start an Amsoil bash( seriously not my intent )but as you brought up the White Papers let me just say don't believe they are 100% accurate and that they are the holy bible of gear oils. In my personal opinion those white papers have one use and that is in the out house. Many test results provided that do not match up( not even close )with what mfg's of some of those products provide for data. I don't put any faith in them at all on any brand not just what they said about RP.

 

I never go to a competitor for info on a product I am interested in. That is a bad idea IMO and I doubt you would ever get an honest and totally unbiased report. I wouldn't ask Amsoil if RP, M1, Lucas, Redline, etc... are any good nor would I ask them about Amsoil. I would ask real world users such as the folks here and on auto forums. THAT is where you can bank on the results( usually - anti RP everything bias on this site for some reason? ).

 

I have run RP products( and even sold them at one time )since 1990. 2 decades now. Their MaxGear gear oils are some of the best on the market. That doesn't mean there hasn't been a problem with it here or there or that a particular application does not fair better on a different product. That happens with all fluids. As a rule though MaxGear is one of the top 2-3 IMO, and top 5 easy, out there. Use it with complete confidence. If it does not work out try a different brand but I doubt you will have any issues.

 

I have a 2008 Dodge Ram with a lifetime power train warranty and it has RP MaxGear in it right now front and rear. Wouldn't risk my warranty on a lousy product. Actually, I run it in all my new vehicles/trucks be they MOPAR or GM. Never had a single problem with it.

 

And to be fair Amsoil makes a great gear oil too if you want another option. Their product line is very good, no excellent, while their marketing not so much(IMHO). In my experience you don't listen to what that companys ays about it's competitors. Others can disagree. Toss the White Papers( or flush them )and sleep easy with MaxGear in your diff.

 

 

another..

 

That white paper drives me nuts! It's hard not to give a fancy white paper like the one from Amsoil a lot of credence. Nonetheless, that particular paper set my Bovine Scatology detector off. It was just too convenient, with RP being Amsoils number one target competitor.

 

Sometimes, the convenient answer is the true one and in the absence of more independent tests on that level, or at least something similar from RP that counters it, we must accept it at face value. It's hard to believe a big, largely reputable company like Amsoil would fake results. Too easy to prove if they did. If they didn't fake or distort results, the only answers are, A) a bad batch RP oil, or B) the RP isn't all it's cracked up to be. I do think the performance of the oil in the white paper was lower than the results we see in the field and from the few RP gear oil UOAs that surface. I can't help but think there's something "else" here. I have used RP gears oils with good results so far (e.g. my diff hasn't exploded)

 

And last

 

would have no problem running the RP for 30k miles.

And, if you fear it so much, use something else at the next scheduled interval.

 

The Amsoil paper is why I still use and recommend M1 and Redline.

96chevy7.4L Enthusiast

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I use Mobil 1 synthetic in my engine and differential. I have thought of trying other brands such as RP but just haven't found a reason to swtich. Not bashing anyone or any brand not my intention. the mere purpose was to share that info and without asking I new opinions would fly.

Black02Silverado Senior Enthusiast

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Actually any one of the gear oils listed in this study would do well. If you really think about it, how many times has anyone come across an issue and it was related to the lubricant. None that I'm aware of, not that I go out looking for it. I would think that most problems would be mechanical in nature/design flaw or due to neglect of the owner, not on purpose but some individuals are not well informed about vehicle maintenance.

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