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simpleman10 Enthusiast

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You should take a look at the new Rosen Carshow 1210-US. I have installed it as well as the OGM-1 in a 2008 Yukon and can't find a big difference.

 

If you watch Ebay you can get the OGM-1 for around 800.00 new. Amazon has been selling the new version of Carshow for around 750.00.

 

If you compare the Rosen unit that ADC mobile sells which is a universal head unit you will be disappointed. It can't compare to the OGM-1. I believe they show a chart on their website that compares the two. However they do not compare the new version XL Series.

 

I have used both and they are basically the same unit with only minor differences. I would suggest getting the one you can find the best price on.

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esox07 Enthusiast

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Has anyone been able to get Voice dialing to work with their Samsung Galaxy S4? I can connect via bluetooth and place and receive calls via the touch pad, but when I press the voice command button on the OGM-1, it won't take any commands. Has anyone got it to work with any other Android Phones, but most specifically, the Galaxy S4?

simpleman10 Enthusiast

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In the Rosen vs. Advent comparison, there really isn't any comparison anymore.

 

We've been with Rosen since DAY ONE on their navi product (we actually sent them the XM tuner they reverse-engineered for the GM unit when they first released it), and have seen every version they released since then. We sold quite few of these and had some success, but lack of reliability and features always made the Rosen very difficult to recommend, and we finally stopped selling them due to the failure rate. We then did mainly Kenwood and JVC in GM trucks, and even though we lost some features in the truck, we knew they had more features and wouldn't fail nearly as much as the Rosen.

 

Since the Advent has shown up, it's very honestly been a breath of fresh air! We can actually get excited about something that really works, has all the latest features, retains ALL the factory accessories and controls, is user-updateable, and very rarely fails (and when it does, they're relatively minor issues). Like @ride4chevy's post illustrates, the differences between the Rosen and the Advent couldn't be more stark.

 

We'll be selling Advent for a very long time to come...

I think you should make it clear to people that your website compares Advent OGM-1 to the old version of the Rosen Carshow. The new model Rosen 1210 is just as good as the Advent if not even slightly better. I have installed and used both. It is true that there is no comparison between the old Rosen you use in comparisons on your site and the OGM-1 but after using both I believe the new Rosen 1210 is slightly better and about 250.00 cheaper on Amazon.

wottenad Enthusiast

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I think you should make it clear to people that your website compares Advent OGM-1 to the old version of the Rosen Carshow. The new model Rosen 1210 is just as good as the Advent if not even slightly better. I have installed and used both. It is true that there is no comparison between the old Rosen you use in comparisons on your site and the OGM-1 but after using both I believe the new Rosen 1210 is slightly better and about 250.00 cheaper on Amazon.

 

When asked my opinion, I give it as honestly as I can based on the experience generated in 38 years as a professional installer. In this case, as both a Rosen (Car Show) and Advent dealer, when given an option between the two units for the same vehicle, I will always recommend an Advent. In an application where there is not an Advent available as in OE type unit, then a Rosen or Car Show unit may be the best option for a customer if the look is more important than some of the features or performance of the unit.

 

In my experience, the Rosen/Car Show product does not hold up head to head against the Advent, and I say this based on customer feedback and personal observation. I will make anyone a great deal on a Rosen Piranha-series Civic and CRV OE navi unit - both were returned by customers within two days due to FM reception issues (one in Seattle and one in Southern California, so we know that it's not just a local issue). We verified the exact same problem on one of our work vehicles that has the universal Piranha navigation system installed. The installer that drives that truck complains about it on a daily basis, and due to this, we have not sold one of these units in over a year. In contrast, we have now sold over 1300 (and counting) Advent OGM1 systems and I can count on one hand the number of complaints I have had regarding radio reception - based on our experience, this tuner is the equal or better of any tuner on the road, and it can be updated with firmware. Having said this, if you do not care about radio reception at all, then a Rosen/Car Show might work out very well for you.

 

In terms of other features and performance, the Rosen/Car Show can generally hold its own, because it is a good-looking interface and is customizable to a certain extent. Since it is based on a Clarion chassis, we know that there is some solid engineering from a very big company behind the scenes, and that is why it's so surprising that we have the major problems with the tuner. The only other issue I take with the system is in the way they make each one of these vehicle specific - the unit itself is the universal Piranha chassis, then you simply attach the vehicle-specific nose piece, in contrast to building a purpose-built chassis for each vehicle like Advent does.

 

Overall, the old adage "there's an ass for every seat" is alive and well in every category of consumer goods including in-car navigation - any deficiency in any product can be overlooked if the price is right...

 

BTW: We now sell the refurbished OGM1 for the same price you quoted for the Car Show - the main difference is that the Car Show comes with a one-year warranty and the refurbished OGM1 comes with the same three year replacement warranty as the new Advent unit.

MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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Advent unit in mine is two years old and I'm quite happy with it. As for radio reception, the best I came across was the Blaupunkt unit I had in my 98 Jimmy. On clear days it could pull my NH/Boston stations when I lived in CT.

wottenad Enthusiast

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Advent unit in mine is two years old and I'm quite happy with it. As for radio reception, the best I came across was the Blaupunkt unit I had in my 98 Jimmy. On clear days it could pull my NH/Boston stations when I lived in CT.

 

Mike - I long for the days of the old Blaupunkt units!

 

You are absolutely right - back in the 80's, the old CR2000/CR2001 units had the best tuners in the history of car audio...

MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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Dang it I'm not that old Walt! :lol:

 

I had a Blaupunkt deck I got in 2003. It was still a great unit. Sold it to a gal at my last job and she had it in her pickup for years till she got a new rig.

simpleman10 Enthusiast

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When asked my opinion, I give it as honestly as I can based on the experience generated in 38 years as a professional installer. In this case, as both a Rosen (Car Show) and Advent dealer, when given an option between the two units for the same vehicle, I will always recommend an Advent. In an application where there is not an Advent available as in OE type unit, then a Rosen or Car Show unit may be the best option for a customer if the look is more important than some of the features or performance of the unit.

 

In my experience, the Rosen/Car Show product does not hold up head to head against the Advent, and I say this based on customer feedback and personal observation. I will make anyone a great deal on a Rosen Piranha-series Civic and CRV OE navi unit - both were returned by customers within two days due to FM reception issues (one in Seattle and one in Southern California, so we know that it's not just a local issue). We verified the exact same problem on one of our work vehicles that has the universal Piranha navigation system installed. The installer that drives that truck complains about it on a daily basis, and due to this, we have not sold one of these units in over a year. In contrast, we have now sold over 1300 (and counting) Advent OGM1 systems and I can count on one hand the number of complaints I have had regarding radio reception - based on our experience, this tuner is the equal or better of any tuner on the road, and it can be updated with firmware. Having said this, if you do not care about radio reception at all, then a Rosen/Car Show might work out very well for you.

 

In terms of other features and performance, the Rosen/Car Show can generally hold its own, because it is a good-looking interface and is customizable to a certain extent. Since it is based on a Clarion chassis, we know that there is some solid engineering from a very big company behind the scenes, and that is why it's so surprising that we have the major problems with the tuner. The only other issue I take with the system is in the way they make each one of these vehicle specific - the unit itself is the universal Piranha chassis, then you simply attach the vehicle-specific nose piece, in contrast to building a purpose-built chassis for each vehicle like Advent does.

 

Overall, the old adage "there's an ass for every seat" is alive and well in every category of consumer goods including in-car navigation - any deficiency in any product can be overlooked if the price is right...

 

BTW: We now sell the refurbished OGM1 for the same price you quoted for the Car Show - the main difference is that the Car Show comes with a one-year warranty and the refurbished OGM1 comes with the same three year replacement warranty as the new Advent unit.

 

I'm wondering if we are talking bout the same Rosen unit. The Rosen you show on your website is an outdated universal version. It is the same version you use to compare the OGM-1 to on your comparison chart.

 

I am referring to the Rosen 1210 that is for GM vehicles.....found here:

 

http://carshowelectronics.com/oe-look-navi-systems-xl-gm-series.html

 

That is the new XL series. If you do indeed sell that unit then why not compare it to the OGM-1 on your website's comparison chart. If you do you will find the new Rosen is equal to or better in many cases and 300 bucks cheaper.

 

That being said I installed both in my wife's Yukon and she wanted to keep the new Rosen XL series. No FM reception issues.

 

I'm guessing that we are not comparing the same model though. Surely if you sold the new Rosen XL series you would have a comparison chart that compared the OGM-1 to it and not to the outdated universal Rosen.

 

If you don't hve experience with the new Rosen 1210 XL series in a GM vehicle then you should really check it out. Phenomenal unit for the price. You have great videos by the way.

scz71864 Enthusiast

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iv had the advent now for about half a year. i have the WDTV set up on it. it can be a bit buggy at times, especially when trying to change music while the nav is up. nav is awesome though. it make my stereo system sound light years better than the stock deck did. the layout is kind of plain, and doesnt have much flair to it. i dont like how when youre listening to music on the ipod and you want to search, say within a playlist youre already listening to, you have to navigate all the way back to that playlist instead of clicking a back button that takes you to a list that youve already search though. back up camera can take a few seconds to boot up which is annoying sometimes. i wish when youre doing bluetooth from your phone, the music info would show up on the deck. sounds like a rant, but the unit is really cool with all the other things it does.

wottenad Enthusiast

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You are right, the comparison chart on our website is for the older unit - I haven't updated it in awhile since there has not been a lot of call for the Rosen/Car Show unit locally since the local distributor sent all of them back to the factory and they don't stock them anymore. They do not work well in the Seattle area.

 

To get some kind of background to know where it does work well, would you mind sharing your location so I can get an idea what kind of terrain you deal with for FM reception?

simpleman10 Enthusiast

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You are right, the comparison chart on our website is for the older unit - I haven't updated it in awhile since there has not been a lot of call for the Rosen/Car Show unit locally since the local distributor sent all of them back to the factory and they don't stock them anymore. They do not work well in the Seattle area.

 

To get some kind of background to know where it does work well, would you mind sharing your location so I can get an idea what kind of terrain you deal with for FM reception?

 

I live in south Ga. so probably less hilly than Seattle.

 

So do you sell the new GM version Rosen 1210?

 

If so when you talk about bad FM reception are you talking about the old universal unit that you sell on your website or the new 1210?

 

Another big difference I noticed in the newer XL version I linked to above is it has MUCH quicker reverse camera on. The OGM-1 is rediculously slow at kicking on the camera.

simpleman10 Enthusiast

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iv had the advent now for about half a year. i have the WDTV set up on it. it can be a bit buggy at times, especially when trying to change music while the nav is up. nav is awesome though. it make my stereo system sound light years better than the stock deck did. the layout is kind of plain, and doesnt have much flair to it. i dont like how when youre listening to music on the ipod and you want to search, say within a playlist youre already listening to, you have to navigate all the way back to that playlist instead of clicking a back button that takes you to a list that youve already search though. back up camera can take a few seconds to boot up which is annoying sometimes. i wish when youre doing bluetooth from your phone, the music info would show up on the deck. sounds like a rant, but the unit is really cool with all the other things it does.

 

There are several double din units on the market that are MUCH better at interfacing with an IPOD. However the OGM-1 and the Rosen 1210 are factory fit and that's why we buy them. It's a sacrifice you have to make unless you want to use an install kit and not have the factory look.

 

I couldn't agree more on the back-up camera on the OGM-1. REALLY slow cutting on. The new Rosen 1210 has "instant on" and is much faster. It also has a lot of really cool backgrounds you can choose from built in the radio.

 

http://carshowelectronics.com/oe-look-navi-systems-xl-gm-series.html

 

It is actually about 300.00 cheaper on Amazon than the OGM-1 and has the exact same features.

6Sixathome Enthusiast

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The only thing I see I the OGM1 that could be changed and maybe there is a screen to do it (I haven't come across it yet) is when the volume is on '1' and it is still loud compared to the stock HU where you could dial the volume down to where it was barely audible. Is there a fix for this or is it the way it is?

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