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So current status, rear suspension returned to 100% factory.   Front strut spacer blocks still in place.   Truck is dead level right now, but I need to tow with it so I do need to bump the back up another inch or two.  

 

Even with the rear suspension / pinion angle returned to factory, the vibration is still there.   

 

If I floor it from a stop, 1st and 2nd are dead smooth all the way through.   When I get to third, pulling through 65mph, the vibration starts abruptly and is there under power, more power = more vibration.   If I let off the gas but maintain the same speed, the vibration goes away.   Even if I give it about 1/2 throttle so it's accelerating in 4th gear at those speeds in stead of 3rd, vibration is still there.   

 

Unless anyone has any other ideas, I suppose I'll let the dealer look at it now that they can't say it's the lift blocks.  

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Got a call from my service writer yesterday afternoon.   They had called me on Wednesday morning to let me know that they they thought they might be feeling something, but were not sure because it had started snowing and they couldn't safely hammer the throttle at high speed.   I told them to go ahead and keep the truck for a few more days since the weather forecast was good. 

 

He confirmed yesterday (Thursday) that they have 45 miles on the truck now and they do feel the vibration at around 70mph, which is a good thing.   At least we're past the "can not replicate issue" stage now.   He was consulting with his folks within the dealership because they felt that it might have something to do with the lift blocks I have in the rear end.    I politely explained that those were the factory lift blocks that come in all those trucks, and he sounded surprised by that which mildly concerned me.   I did let them know that I had 3" blocks installed for some time, but removed them and the truck's rear suspension is set up now as it was from the factory.   Also let him know that I do have the 3" strut spacers in the front, we both agreed that should not be any concern.    If that becomes an issue, I personally don't have a problem temporarily removing them, except for the $80 I'd have to drop on another alignment if I take them out. 

 

This was late yesterday afternoon.   Waiting on additional updates today.    

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Fixed.   Dealer did not fix it.

 

Picked up the truck.  

 

Dealer had me under the truck and said the vibration was coming from the front end.   Showed me that the driver side CV boot has a split/leak and it's flinging grease, and said that the increased angle with the front lift spacers is causing the vibration and the split boot.   Could not argue with him there.   Running 3" top-mount spacers.   I had read about the stress on the ball joints when running 3" spacers, but I don't off road with it.  So I took the risk.  Never read anything about CV issues. 

 

So I told them I'd address the cracked boot and the axle if needed and pull the spacers, paid my unexpected $80 for the diagnostic (that sucked) and went on my way. 

 

Driving home, I get to thinking about the front axles spinning on the highway, and I look down and notice I'm in 4WD AUTO.   I flip it back into 2WD and sure as shit, absolutely no more vibration.  No shit, wasn't supposed to be in Auto all the time, especially at full throttle at 70mph.  

 

So, basically paid $80 to be told I split a CV boot that actually has nothing to do with the vibration I brought it in for. 

 

I'm easily at fault here, I left it in auto, I lifted the front end, etc, etc.   I do have a bit of a bad taste though about dropping the unexpected $80 and nobody there noticing in 50 mile of test drives that it was in 4wd auto.  Again, neither did I until I started thinking about the front of the truck as opposed to the rear, but I'm not a paid tech. 

 

Moral of the story, don't stay in 4wd auto.  

 

 

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Can't catch a damn break here. 

 

Called all around for a replacement CV boot, nowhere has it aftermarket, GM boot is $88 for the boot, bands and grease.   I already have the axle out so I said screw it and dropped the $95 with tax.   Turns out the large band clamp does not use the usual ears, but some GM contraption that sits in a vice and compresses the entire solid ring onto the large end of the boot.   Of course nobody has it locally.   

 

Additionally, there is no way the strut spacers caused this issue, it's a puncture.  picture below.  


Anyway, after determining that this wasn't going back together today, I hit up Rockauto and got the entire damn replacement axle for $88 with tax and shipping, which is $7 less that I got hit for on just the damn boot from GM.   Taking that back, prob get hit with a restocking fee. 

 

The other local dealer I called also said that GM has been swapping out the entire axle shaft under warranty in cases of boot tears.   Which is why they don't have the clamp tool on hand, they have never had to use one. 

 

The more I think about this entire experience with this service department (purchasing dealer), the more aggravated I get.   They didn't bother even checking where the grease was coming from, just said the boot must have split from the lift blocks.   The boot is super soft, its a 2018 with 2500 miles on it, I don't think I could split it if I tried at this point.   They also fast talked me into believing that this grease leak was somehow causing the vibration.   I am really kind of wondering if they poked the damn boot and then just expected that I would pay for the axle repair out of pocket since they were blaming it on the spacers.   That boot is always spinning, I would expect a tear in it if I hit anyting on the road.   This is a puncture.   The front wheel is also covered in grease, something I am 99.9% sure that was not there when I dropped the truck off or any time before, my wife or I would have noticed. it.  The whole experience just leaves a bad feeling.  

 

New axle should be here mid week, hopefully done with this after that. 

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Nice clean front wheel on my security camera the morning I dropped the truck off.....  I should have taken a photo of the wheel before I cleaned it but I didn't, but there was black grease streaking out between the spokes.  Had the truck backed in since we've had it home, we always back it in, but it was pulled in nose first earlier this week from when I had installed some amber marker lights in the grille (that's another thread). 

 

So I have some evidence that suggests the puncture and grease leak might have happened at the dealer..... what the hell.....

 

 

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Wouldn't doubt that. I have yet to find more than one dealer who does consistently competent work in the service department. Morons. Sorry to hear that man.

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Par for the course on the entire CV axle being around the same price as some of it's replacement parts. Don't understand it, but it was the same for me when I replaced CV axles on my previous two GM vehicles. Swapping the entire axle out is quicker than repairing the original too, so once you know it's about the same price it's a no brainer. Sucks you're figuring it out the hard way.

 

Neither of my GM vehicles vibrated from the ruptured boots. I noticed they were bad when inspecting my brake pads to see how much life they had left. Grease was all over axle, but none on the wheels strangely enough. Also the grease didn't look smeared, it was flung everywhere in chunks (like you'd see mud flung from your tires). How did it look on your wheel?

 

Your situation is definitely odd, too bad you didn't take pics of the grease on your wheel after you got it back from the dealer. I'm fortunate to have a great dealer near me. I now the service director and he runs a legit shop, with high standards.

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On 2/22/2019 at 1:20 PM, TwoBallScrewBall said:

Fixed.   Dealer did not fix it.

 

Picked up the truck.  

 

Dealer had me under the truck and said the vibration was coming from the front end.   Showed me that the driver side CV boot has a split/leak and it's flinging grease, and said that the increased angle with the front lift spacers is causing the vibration and the split boot.   Could not argue with him there.   Running 3" top-mount spacers.   I had read about the stress on the ball joints when running 3" spacers, but I don't off road with it.  So I took the risk.  Never read anything about CV issues. 

 

So I told them I'd address the cracked boot and the axle if needed and pull the spacers, paid my unexpected $80 for the diagnostic (that sucked) and went on my way. 

 

Driving home, I get to thinking about the front axles spinning on the highway, and I look down and notice I'm in 4WD AUTO.   I flip it back into 2WD and sure as shit, absolutely no more vibration.  No shit, wasn't supposed to be in Auto all the time, especially at full throttle at 70mph.  

 

So, basically paid $80 to be told I split a CV boot that actually has nothing to do with the vibration I brought it in for. 

 

I'm easily at fault here, I left it in auto, I lifted the front end, etc, etc.   I do have a bit of a bad taste though about dropping the unexpected $80 and nobody there noticing in 50 mile of test drives that it was in 4wd auto.  Again, neither did I until I started thinking about the front of the truck as opposed to the rear, but I'm not a paid tech. 

 

Moral of the story, don't stay in 4wd auto.  

 

 

On both my 2014 and my 2018 I could always feel a vibration in the floorboard when they were in Auto.

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1 hour ago, midwestdenaliguy said:

Par for the course on the entire CV axle being around the same price as some of it's replacement parts. Don't understand it, but it was the same for me when I replaced CV axles on my previous two GM vehicles. Swapping the entire axle out is quicker than repairing the original too, so once you know it's about the same price it's a no brainer. Sucks you're figuring it out the hard way.

 

Grease was all over axle, but none on the wheels strangely enough. Also the grease didn't look smeared, it was flung everywhere in chunks (like you'd see mud flung from your tires). How did it look on your wheel?

 

There were big blobs like you describe on the A-Arms, and on the inside of the wheel barrel.   This leak was right near the spindle, maybe that's why most of my mess ended up on the wheel and A-Arms instead of the axle like yours.   Some of those blobs on my wheel had 'ran' out the outside of the wheel and onto the face toward the tire, kinda like running paint.    I guess from the centrifugal force of the spinning wheel.  

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I have this same exact problem with my 2017 truck. It has a 6" suspension lift with 20K miles. Only vibrates under acceleration in 4 wheel drive or auto only.

What is actually the problem/slash fix or is there one? Is it the front driveline angle? Front CV shaft angles?

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