Who agrees with waht happened here?

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

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I have several takes on it, lets discuss

[TROYROBO]

 

[3BAV]

Well that is by far the rudest cop that I have ever seen. That alone should put her ass on departmental review. Her attitude thoughout the call is totaly uncalled for.

 

The shooting with what you see certainly seems unjustified. The problem that I see or rather don't see is that we do not know what is taking place off camera and what the suspect is doing. With what she is saying while she is trying to cuff the suspect I think that she is using excesive force.

 

If I had to make a decision just on that video I would say that this was not a justified shooting. We don't have the whole story here though so dependinng on what other evidence was presented during the course of the investigation or trial it could strenthen my position against her or to clear her. Regardless of that she needs an attitude adjustment.

 

Jon

[422 SS]

If that cop shot me and I lived I would be returning the favor as soon as possible.While I generally side with police what that bitch did is wrong.I know police have a tough job,but should remember it is very easy to find out where they live if someone decided to retaliate.The whole situation could have been avoided 2 ways.

The obvious comply with the officer,get handcuffed.

Officer calls for backup in the 12 minutes before the shooting.Several officers restrain the guy until cuffs are on.

I get fired up when I see a cop shoot an unarmed person.If a non-officer puts a round in someone in Ohio they will be locked up for a looooong time.Hopefully this woman will be charged and locked up and the victim should file a huge lawsuit if he is still alive.

[RyanbabZ71]

if she wasnt able to handle the suspect why couldnt she call for backup? Here in Indiana any traffic stop yields about 2-3 cop cars. Also if she was so worried about a weapon why didnt she search him? Shouldnt that have been the first thing she did? Also It wasnt very safe standing in between the cop car and the truck. What if someone came by and hit the cop car? They are pinned and smashed. She needs some serious retraining

[pacodiablo]

Well, it is hard to tell here. From the beginning the trooper seemed to be a short tempered person who wanted it all her way. However, the guy who was pulled over would not turn around to be cuffed (and he clearly was under the influence of something). Shooting him was out of line unless he presented a threat to the trooper. Shooting him for being an idiot (he was definately a dumb one) and not following instructions is definately not justified.

 

I really didn't like how the trooper talked to him. She was constantly yelling and being flat out ugly to him.

[tmf6902]

Now, I'm not a cop, but I know a couple and I have been pulled over a couple of times....she is in need for a little bit of attitude training, and he is in need of a brain. As someone said before, why didn't she call for backup sooner....like after he didn't pull over right away???? Why didn't she search him in the beginning and cuff him for her saftey? I think that would have been justified from the way he was acting in the video. I noticed that she made a couple of mistakes, one she was standing next to the road while giving him his test...that's just a saftey issue, which could have been solved if she had waited for back up. I also notcied she turned her back on him a couple of times. he is an idiot for not just letting her cuff him, but she shot him while he was running away (I assume, because he dropped when he seemed to be running back to the truck). She certainly did tell him a number of times that he needed to turn around and be cuffed, to which he didn't seem to respon. If I was on a jury, I think I would find him at fault, he wasn't following instruction, that seemed pretty simple. Was the shooting justified, I don't think you can tell from just the vid. On the other hand, I would find her at fault, for cop things, she was rude from the begining, she didn't call for proper back up (it seems), and it seems that she put herself in danger with some of her actions.

To sum it up, I think that at 4am, no one is gonna fault you for calling backup, and this whole situation probably could have been solved with a simple arrest/ticket..etc

 

The whole crap of asking him why he was so nervous and all that stuff is BS....the couple of times I have been pulled over, if the cop was just gonna look at my shaking hands and ask me if I was hiding something I would have been guilty as sh*t. I am always nervous when I get pulled over, who isn't..it's not a guilty or scared thing, I just don't want to do anything to make the cop shoot me, (like reach for my registration in my glovebox. that's why I always open all my windows, and turn of my truck, and the hands go on the wheel, I don't wanna get shot, from an itchy trigger finger(and I know a cops job is hard enough without me giving them a hard time). I don't curse them for the 130 dollar ticket till I am well on my way.

Although one time I got pulled over at 4am with a bunch of my friends going to the beach, I was in the blazer and it was filled to the roof with stuff. he just wanted to see if I had been drinking,(which I hadn't) and I got to sit in the front seat of the car, and he was listening to led zepplin, he was actually really cool, and we started talking music, and school, and being a cop.....and even let me go for going 4mph over the speed limit at 4am....mighty nice of him......anyway sorry for my rambling

 

in conclusion, that guy in that video was an idiot, and the woman was an A-hole.

 

TMF

[J-rod]

While I generally side with police what that bitch did is wrong.

While I agree that the moron should have followed directions, I never saw any real threat to the officer ... especially right before the shooting. Heck, was running from her, not pulling a weapon!!! And as someone else said, if she was sooooo concerned about something in his pockets, SEARCH HIM!

 

Edit: This is proof positive of the need for "non-lethal" weapons (tasers, stun guns, pepper spray, etc) ... some situations call for deadly force while some just call for force.

[99silveradoz71]

It keeps saying it's not a valid real player file when it tries to download it using Windows Media Player...any thoughts?

[pacodiablo]

You have to download Real Player to see it. You can get Real Player free, just search for it on google.com.

[3BAV]

While it did appear that there was not threat to the officer. You cannot determine that stricktly from the video. While I think she is an idiot and based on what we can only see in the video the shooting does not seem justified there are a couple things that we must consider.

 

One he is running back to his truck. While this by itself does not justify a shooting as far as I'm concerned, it may have turned bad quick. This could be why he was so nervous and the cop kept asking why he was nervous. He may have had a weapon in the truck he was attempting to retrieve. He may have also gotten in the truck and had her suptid ass been standing behind the truck and in front of her car like she had been he could slammed it in reverse and crushed her. While none of these things took place it is something that an officer has to consider in a split second on what they are going to do. I don't think this was going through her head when this was taking place as she seems like a power hungry person in a position of authority that took that power to far.

 

Just some other things that we have to consider as we don't know what else was to be discovered or brought to light during an investigation.

 

Jon

[99silveradoz71]

Things definitely went way too far there. #1 if she's pursuing him or trying to stop him and he's not pulling over, I'd be on the horn getting more cars my way. Now I realize that that was the Highway Patrol, and that usually they're pretty slim on manpower in a given area(in other words she'd be waiting for backup if she called), but usually when someone doesn't stop right away, that should set off some bells and whistles that something isn't right- call for backup then.

 

#2 In dealing with the guy, she can obviously sense that he's nervous or something is up...another reason to call for backup. The other red flag was his comment about not having a good reputation with the other police department.

 

#3 She was obviously upset(contempt of cop concept as we call it) for him not stopping for her...kind of the "How dare you not listen to me". Once again having backup there or at least on the way might ease her stress. In a situation like that, I'd probably hold the driver in a felony stop position(hands up in car, gun pointed at car from driver's side door area) until backup arrived...that way you're not charging into an unknown...people run for a lot of reasons- most of them aren't good ones. You must establish control early via firm and clear commands. She did not help matters by swearing at him. He was not argumentative initially.

 

#4 She had him in between the vehicles so she could capture the FST's on video. Anytime we do a OVI stop here, we have backup present during testing to witness it. Still that's an area to avoid, especially on a highway- that's why Ohio State Patrol switched to white cars- they were getting hit.

 

#5 The guy didn't stop right away, yet she's comfortable enough to let him go back to his vehicle(an unknown to her)and retrieve the insurance card. Definitely have another officer there to cover for this.

 

#6 The guy is actively resisting arrest from what I can see. It appears he was either grabbing at her or preventing her attempts to cuff him. Once again, get on the radio...why struggle alone? Especially a woman vs. a male.

 

#7 The shooting...he appears to be running from her at the time and gets it in the back from what I was able to tell. By that time, he has already presented the greatest threat to her when he was "wrestling or resisting". I'd get on the radio and give chase with him covered. Baton strikes or spray would've been better options prior to the shooting.

 

So many things that could be said. The bottom line is she charged into a situation with her emotions getting the best of her, and let her tactics and common sense slip.

[tmf6902]

99Silverado, I take it from your post that you are an officer of the law??? Thanks for the reply, it's neat to see the professional point of view.

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

As stated above he was clearly under the influence of something, and exactly what i thought all along, she couldve and shouldve called for backup and also could have asked him if she could perform a search.

 

99Silveradoz71, you kinda started to answer a good question i brought up to my buddy when we were watching it before i posted it. maybe it depends on the state, but dont you have to have another officer present to perform an FST? or is the camera just as good a witness? I do understand that this can be a bit of a hassle for highway patrol, especially somewhere out of an urban area, but im just unsure the procedure.

 

Another thing, even if he was wrestling her to get away, she had no ground to shoot at him. Nothing was presented that he wanted to harm her, he just wanted to get away. she shouldve given chase on foot, not with lead.

 

Sad thing of the whole deal is that i can almost bet that this lowlife (which he clearly is), who didnt get what he deserved, hes gonna get what he thinks he deserves in a court settlement.

[Antibling]

That has to be the worst officer I have ever seen.

 

First things first. If she was worried about the driver, she shouldve been a little more careful asking him to get out.

 

Firstly the suspect is to stick his hands out the window, open the door using the outside handle keeping both hands outside the window, getting out keeping both hands up. Then they are to walk backwards towards the cop car.

 

The way she let that guy get out he couldve had a gun and opened fire.

 

The second time he put his hands in his pocket was far too many, she shouldve had him in cuffs after that.

 

If he was being so difficult she shouldve called for backup.

 

If he was acting suspicious, you dont let him go back to the vehicle to reach in a glove compartment to get his insurance.

 

And the worst, the absolute worst thing about this was she didnt use any force against him to put him in cuffs, that guy was stumbling around so bad he wouldve been a push over to put the cuffs on, instead, what does she do, she pulls out her gun and threatens to shoot him if he doesnt comply.

 

She is d**n lucky he didnt over power her cause she would be dead. When you are in a face to face struggle with a suspect you make sure you got your gun holstered and locked in. Most officers who get shot in the line of duty get shot by their own gun.

 

Not only that, but if the gun accidentaly went off while they were struggling it couldve hit her, or oncoming traffic.

 

Not to mention the attitude, this woman should not be a cop. The shooting was unjustified, even if he was making a run for the pickup. Shoot out the tires of the pickup before he gets there.

 

My dad was in a worse situation than this. A guy wouldnt get out of his pickup and my dad reached in and got a cuff around one of the suspects hands, the guy tried taking off and the other cuff caught my dads hand and the guy started dragging him. My dad got his gun, rather than pointing it at the suspect he was smart enough to shoot out the tires and that successfully stopped the guy.

 

Now that was more dangerous situation than this lady was in, and he was cool enough to not shoot the suspect, even though in this case it wouldve been totally justified for him to do.

 

This lady just gets me so po'ed, its officers like her that give cops a bad image.