wait4me and crank angle relearn

Silver_Crew_Cab · August 10, 2005

Anyone in Orange County, CA (more specifically, Irvine or Anaheim Hills/Yorba Linda Area) have the crank angle relearn done? Can someone point me to a shop that can do it?

Thanks

lerbud · August 10, 2005

any shop who has a tech II diagnostic machine can do it. call around and find one. here are the instructions from jesse on how to do it. the stealership can do it also.

Originally Posted by wait4me

Hi guys, Thanks for all the compliments on the programming. Im just glad everyone out there is happy and Getting what they pay for.

The crank position relearn can be called a bunch of things.

Crank angle Relearn

Crank position Relearn

Crank variation Relearn

Case learn

Crankshaft learn

Crankshaft position variation learn..

cmpk relearn Ect.. every scanner calls it different. lol

This may be of some help

97-2003 Engine CASE learn procedure:

Turn the key to on position

Turn Tech II on

Select the Diagnostics Menu

Select Car Information (Year, Make, Engine, Etc.) (Make sure they enter 1998 as the year.) (Also you will be asked what type of product line/type. It is a single letter code. Which corresponds to the first letter in your VIN)

Select Special Functions.

Select Variable Crankcase Learn Procedure.

Follow On Screen Directions.

The Crankcase Learn Procedure is going to ask the Technician to do the following:

Put E-brake On.

Make sure car is in neutral or park.

Turn engine on

Rev Car to Rev Limiter (car will hit limiter at 3,000 RPM)

Wait about 5 seconds.

Rev Car to Rev Limiter (The car will this time hits about 5,500 to 6,000 RPM)

Wait about 5 seconds.

Car is done.

2004+ CASE learn procedure:

Turn the key to on position

Turn Tech II on

Select the Diagnostics Menu

Select Car Information (Year, Make, Engine, Etc.)

Select Special Functions.

Select Variable Crankcase Learn Procedure.

Follow On Screen Directions.

The Crankcase Learn Procedure is going to ask the Technician to do the following:

Put E-brake On.

Make sure car is in neutral or park.

Turn engine on.

Rev Car to Rev Limiter

Car is done.

Silver_Crew_Cab · August 10, 2005

Yeah, I've been calling around, either they don't have a techII or scan tool, or have no idea what the heck I'm talking about.

Thanks

SaltyD · August 10, 2005

Yeah, I've been calling around, either they don't have a techII or scan tool, or have no idea what the heck I'm talking about.

Thanks

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Yeah, I had the same problem in Ancorage, AK. Most shops had the techII but had no idea what I was talking about or soon as I mentioned tuned PCM they acted like I had the plague. "Oh we don't mess with aftermarket problems"

The ones that would do it wanted $100-150 because it supposedly takes them time to set up the techII.......BS!

I called Jesse and have sent my old unit back to be retuned and will return him the other PCM.

John

mcreyaufmiller · August 10, 2005

I was to the understanding that the crank would relearn itself after 6 or so run cycles.

Silver_Crew_Cab · August 10, 2005

From everything I've been reading, it does not relearn itself. I've read some people running around w/their SES lights on for a year+.

Good news, I actually found a place in Anaheim, that knew what I was talking about. I'm taking the truck in tomorrow or Friday to have them do it.

http://www.superiorautomotive.com/index.html

Looking at their website, they look pretty hardcore and after talking to the guy, they seem like they know what they are doing. Everyone else I talked to seemed pretty sketchy and said they would "figure it out."

I'll post back after I get it done.

SaltyD · August 10, 2005

I was to the understanding that the crank would relearn itself after 6 or so run cycles.

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Been running about a week now with the Jesse tune.....still have the SES light.

Of course it may have reset itself and the DTC for light just needs to be cleared. ??

camel · August 10, 2005

my light is on aswel. guess i got to go to the stealer

jt1872001 · August 11, 2005

why do you guys need to do this relearn? is it after you put in a new / programed pcm?

sgiangregorio · August 11, 2005

I really want order Jesse's series one tune, but this is the only thing holding me back, I don't know where to get this done. I called around a bit as well, and no one knew what i was talking about, except the dealer. And they asked me why I needed it done. I mentioned a tuned ECM and they said they wouldn't do it.

Silver_Crew_Cab · August 11, 2005

You need to do the relearn if you replace your PCM. If you have your stock one tuned, than you don't need to.

I think the best way to go about it is to look for a tuner shop in your area, most of the "repair" shops don't have a clue. Look for a place that builds motors, they would have to have a scan tool, because when you replace the crankshaft, the same relearn needs to be done.

Hopefully I will get mine done tomorrow..

Phil G · August 11, 2005

If they don't understand as in my case, I mad the guy mad because I told him what needed to be done and the code that the computer was throwing(P1336), he went thru process with his scanner and then had to go read up on how to do the crank relearn, cost me 40 bucks, and I've known th eguy for @ 10 years.

100R1 · August 11, 2005

other causes to throw a SES light and need to have the Crank angle relearn (case relearn) is replacing the crank shaft sensor or even replacing the timing chain and timing gears.

tell the dealer that your truck was stolen and recovered but there were a few parts missing and one of them was the PCM, you bought a "used" one through the internet and the seller programed it for your vin but said that it would need a case relearn.

there are other shops beside the dealer that can do this procedure. and there are other scan tools that work.

just about any high performance shop can do it. Tranny repair shops, large mom and pop shops that advertise as electrical / electronic diagnostic & repair.

copy jesse's post on the procedure of doing the case relearn

here is a copy

Hi guys, Thanks for all the compliments on the programming. Im just glad everyone out there is happy and Getting what they pay for.

The crank position relearn can be called a bunch of things.

Crank angle Relearn

Crank position Relearn

Crank variation Relearn

Case learn

Crankshaft learn

Crankshaft position variation learn..

cmpk relearn Ect.. every scanner calls it different. lol

This may be of some help

97-2003 Engine CASE learn procedure:

Turn the key to on position

Turn Tech II on

Select the Diagnostics Menu

Select Car Information (Year, Make, Engine, Etc.) (Make sure they enter 1998 as the year.) (Also you will be asked what type of product line/type. It is a single letter code. Which corresponds to the first letter in your VIN)

Select Special Functions.

Select Variable Crankcase Learn Procedure.

Follow On Screen Directions.

The Crankcase Learn Procedure is going to ask the Technician to do the following:

Put E-brake On.

Make sure car is in neutral or park.

Turn engine on

Rev Car to Rev Limiter (car will hit limiter at 3,000 RPM)

Wait about 5 seconds.

Rev Car to Rev Limiter (The car will this time hits about 5,500 to 6,000 RPM)

Wait about 5 seconds.

Car is done.

2004+ CASE learn procedure:

Turn the key to on position

Turn Tech II on

Select the Diagnostics Menu

Select Car Information (Year, Make, Engine, Etc.)

Select Special Functions.

Select Variable Crankcase Learn Procedure.

Follow On Screen Directions.

The Crankcase Learn Procedure is going to ask the Technician to do the following:

Put E-brake On.

Make sure car is in neutral or park.

Turn engine on.

Rev Car to Rev Limiter

Car is done.

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That is for someone with a tech 2. if they have a genisys or other Spx varient scanner.

you have to tell the scanner you truck is a 2002 or lower, that way the crank learn tab will show up.

so when you do pick 2002, then you go to special tests, then you go to engine controls, then you go to "crankshaft relearn" then you follow the instructions.

The reason for the relearn is for the missfire detection to be accurate. It is something that has to be done when useing a pcm that was not in your truck previously and had the case learn done on it. Even from the factory, each vehicle has to get this done to the computer/ motor it works with. All it does when you do a case learn is tell the computer where the cam and crank are at in relationship to each other durring the firing event. That way the pcm can Accurately detect a missfire down to an individual cyl.. If you guys have any more questions please let me know, Ill answer them all for you. Thanks Again. Jes

mcreyaufmiller · August 11, 2005

Being as I work in the automotive field and service many body shops, I had a service to do in an automotive school. After I completed my service, I drove my truck around back to the enging shop and the instructor brought out a Snap-on scanner and took less than 5 minutes to do the relearn.

The moral to this story? Find a school and they will probably do it for free.

Otherwise, just tell your dealer that you replaced the Crank Position Sensor, this causes the code as well.

Silver_Crew_Cab · August 11, 2005

Ok, got it done at Superior Automotive. Took 5 minutes and cost me $40. Probably a little more than it should, but since that was the only place I could find, it was worth it to me.