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I am installing a new cluster in my GMC.

 

As is my policy with all paperwork/contracts, I have learned to read thoroughly anything I sign.

 

THE POINT

 

 

GM vehicles store mileage data in several different locations throughout the vehicles complex electronic network of systems. In the event the vehicles odometer fails to display mileage, a licensed GM Technician can utilize a TECH 2 Scan Tool and access the ABS Menu to discern the vehicles true mileage. This information shall then be documented on form ODOM-4 "Statement of Facts / Odometer Disclosure form" by a licensed GM Technician and signed by an official representative for the dealership.

 

This was found on a form ICMOP-REV2.1

 

 

 

Several people have stated, and the general concensus has been, that the mileage is not stored anywhere on the vehicle other than in the odometer. This document states otherwise.

 

Corrections? Agree/disagree? New Info?

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

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I am installing a new cluster in my GMC.

 

As is my policy with all paperwork/contracts, I have learned to read thoroughly anything I sign.

 

THE POINT

 

 

GM vehicles store mileage data in several different locations throughout the vehicles complex electronic network of systems. In the event the vehicles odometer fails to display mileage, a licensed GM Technician can utilize a TECH 2 Scan Tool and access the ABS Menu to discern the vehicles true mileage. This information shall then be documented on form ODOM-4 "Statement of Facts / Odometer Disclosure form" by a licensed GM Technician and signed by an official representative for the dealership.

 

This was found on a form ICMOP-REV2.1

 

 

 

Several people have stated, and the general concensus has been, that the mileage is not stored anywhere on the vehicle other than in the odometer. This document states otherwise.

 

Corrections? Agree/disagree? New Info?

 

Absolutly dissagree, and the 30 year GM master Tech that used to be on this forum dissagrees also. On full size trucks only. There are other GM that keep mileage in the BCM ( Colorado, Canyon)

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GM bullitin in this one on where it is kept:

 

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80996

 

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?...&hl=cluster

 

In this one the GM Master tech prints out a copy of whats stored in the PCM (on 2nd page) and it ain't mileage.

 

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?...&hl=cluster

 

This comes up every now and again, its BS. I worked in a GM dealer in 04 and 05. This would come up every now and again at the dealership. NONE of the Master Techs could ever find the mysterious mileage hideing any where EXCEPT in the IPC, cluster.

 

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more testimony

 

Well I've talked to several friends at the dealer where I used to work. One master certified and specialized in trim, Ie..clusters, bcm's electircal etc.. When I was working there we caught 2 people for Milege fraud, they cut the green wire going to the cluster and installed toggle switches so that the cluster would not track mileage. Both cases were investigated by both GM and the FBI, thats right the FBI. Both cases the correct mileage was unable to be verified. The engine hours were found but that only serves to tell hours of operation and can not determine mileage. My friends who I just spoke to said that to their knowledge the mileage is only stored in the cluster and if it is stored elswere that they would like to know how to access it with a tech 2. Also when a cluster is replaced under warranty it is ordered pre-programmed and shipped to the dealer and installed with no other modules being programmed. Without supporting info as to how to access mileage with tech 2 I will have to agree that it is only stored in the cluster

MarkD Senior Enthusiast

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Not really an issue, just thought I would post the form sent to me. If anyone wants it, I will pm it to you. PDF file btw.

mikystyle Enthusiast

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Yeah, I changed the clusted on mine to a OEM escalade cluster and I talked to the guys at my dealer and they said its not stored anywhere and that I would have to send both clusters out somewhere and they would transfer the mileage for me at the cost of $75. So as of right now, my 01 only has about 22k miles on it :D

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2003-2007 milage is stored in the IPC

 

Various laws require that when an odometer is serviced, repaired or replaced, the mileage indicated is to remain the same as before this service, repair, or replacement. Where the odometer can not register the same mileage as before, the odometer shall be adjusted to read zero and a notice in writing shall be attached to the driver’s door frame of the vehicle.

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

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2003-2007 milage is stored in the IPC

 

Various laws require that when an odometer is serviced, repaired or replaced, the mileage indicated is to remain the same as before this service, repair, or replacement. Where the odometer can not register the same mileage as before, the odometer shall be adjusted to read zero and a notice in writing shall be attached to the driver’s door frame of the vehicle.

 

I believe that would be 1999 through 2009 as well is kept in the IPC, instrument panel cluster

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