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It's been decided that we will be buying a 5th wheel toy hauler. Obviously my 2011 z71 will not do.

I drove the ford 250 diesel in lariat trim and was impressed. That said we've owned in our family only GM diesels and I do love the Allison tranny. Chime in but don't make it a bashing thread please.

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I've had the recent oppurtunity to drive both an 12 F250 powerstroke and a 12 2500HD Duramax recently (friend I know manages a enterprise commercial rental and I've been able to drive both each for several days during weekends). I've put about 100-150 miles on each

 

My thoughts:

 

The powerstorke is QUIET, without a doubt the least amount of noise during cruise and idle I've ever heard. One thing that bugged me the entire time with that truck is the throttle, it just didn't seem like the input that I was given it was being translated properly, which made it somewhat irritating to drive in certain scenarios. The transmission shift pionts seem OK, but definately not as well tuned as the Alllison Duramax combo, saw a decent amount of busy shifting especially during traffic, first gear shifted to second way to soon in most cases, leaving the truck feeling unsettled. Also, not sure if your aware but the suspension and steering compoenents on the ford are "lubed for life" meaning no grease fittings on the chassis, and most likely a trip to the dealer sometime down the line for replacements at higher mileage (when they replace them with greasable fittings, which is what they do). Also the ford has a standard vacuum boosted brake system, and the truck did not have the braking confidence and good feel of the chevy (which has a much more heavy duty hydroboost system, which ford doesn't give you until you step up to a F-450).

 

Without a doubt the Duramax and the Allison are the better powertrain. The throttle input seems very linear, braking is much better, and the chassis retains good ole greasable fittings like they used to use in the old days, which means you won't be replacing ball joints at 50K. The Duramax definately gives you more diesel sound, along with a nice little bit of turbo whistle (who doesn't love that?), and I seemed to get about 2 mpg better from the Chevy (got around 18 mpg average during my time with it).

 

The overall fit and finish on both trucks were good, although the ford interior uses higher quality materials and road noises are much more isolated in the Ford, with the exception of wind noise which increased dramatically in the Ford over 70 mph.

 

Both trucks are really nice, but I think the Duramax edges out the Ford in terms of powertrain, and a better chassis for towing/hauling.

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Ok bash.......I keed.

I plan on driving the 2500 tomorrow but honestly the interior appointments are abismal for 60k. I know I'm being picky but I can dam well do it for this kind of money IMO. I do like the tried and true GM combo but the rattles in my z71 have driven me mad.

 

And I won't be towing no 10k load with a half ton. ;-). I want peace of mind and the ability to buy whatever the wife desires. Shit, come to think of it I'm screwed!

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Look to your left at the little picture that is the smile you will have the first day you drive YOUR DMax, and it only gets better with time. Pulled a load of hay for a buddy just a little bit ago, had a hill about 1/2 mile pull and I was following him with my truck and load of hay, I did not know what to expect from the truck. He had hauled loads of hay all day yesterday, about 1/4 mile into the pull I honked the horn and motioned for him to either park the Dodge or get it moving. When we got to his house he said there was no way he could have pulled a load up that hill that fast with his Cummins!!! :jester:

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Yeah, here in the desert, Im currently drivin an F-350 w/t 4-door long bed, non-dually, Its an 09 but yes the throttle is completely delayed from the input of your foot. Tranny shifts all kinds of weird and you the most noise you'll here from that truck is when you start the damn thing lol. Other than that the ride quality is good especially in this environment. Still anytime I see a 2500 or 3500 drive by, I wish I could drive it instead lol but for my circumstance right now, a/c in the truck along with radio; Ill drive this truck the whole deployment with no complaint!!!! Go Chevy or GMC for your towing needs though.

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I've pretty much decided GM with the Allison and Duramax BUT the question is if I buy used what's a reasonable amount of miles? I'm not buying one with 100k since there's no factory warranty and I've had bad luck with third party vendors. I'll be searching today but dam that Denali trim is nice, I would just rather buy two more motorcycles and a truck than just a truck in that range. :nopity:

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I've pretty much decided GM with the Allison and Duramax BUT the question is if I buy used what's a reasonable amount of miles? I'm not buying one with 100k since there's no factory warranty and I've had bad luck with third party vendors. I'll be searching today but dam that Denali trim is nice, I would just rather buy two more motorcycles and a truck than just a truck in that range. :nopity:

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http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/3009447830.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/3033199203.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/3010568758.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/3035369280.html

 

 

Yeah, here in the desert, Im currently drivin an F-350 w/t 4-door long bed, non-dually, Its an 09 but yes the throttle is completely delayed from the input of your foot. Tranny shifts all kinds of weird and you the most noise you'll here from that truck is when you start the damn thing lol. Other than that the ride quality is good especially in this environment. Still anytime I see a 2500 or 3500 drive by, I wish I could drive it instead lol but for my circumstance right now, a/c in the truck along with radio; Ill drive this truck the whole deployment with no complaint!!!! Go Chevy or GMC for your towing needs though.

 

The desert? What you mean?? It's actually been really nice here for the past couple of weeks? :lol:
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I've pretty much decided GM with the Allison and Duramax BUT the question is if I buy used what's a reasonable amount of miles? I'm not buying one with 100k since there's no factory warranty and I've had bad luck with third party vendors. I'll be searching today but dam that Denali trim is nice, I would just rather buy two more motorcycles and a truck than just a truck in that range. :nopity:

http://dallas.craigs...3037346926.html

http://dallas.craigs...3015527768.html

http://dallas.craigs...3009447830.html

http://dallas.craigs...3033199203.html

http://dallas.craigs...3010568758.html

http://dallas.craigs...3035369280.html

 

 

Yeah, here in the desert, Im currently drivin an F-350 w/t 4-door long bed, non-dually, Its an 09 but yes the throttle is completely delayed from the input of your foot. Tranny shifts all kinds of weird and you the most noise you'll here from that truck is when you start the damn thing lol. Other than that the ride quality is good especially in this environment. Still anytime I see a 2500 or 3500 drive by, I wish I could drive it instead lol but for my circumstance right now, a/c in the truck along with radio; Ill drive this truck the whole deployment with no complaint!!!! Go Chevy or GMC for your towing needs though.

 

The desert? What you mean?? It's actually been really nice here for the past couple of weeks? :lol:

 

I would rather be in this dry heat than in that damn humidity!!!!!

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I've pretty much decided GM with the Allison and Duramax BUT the question is if I buy used what's a reasonable amount of miles? I'm not buying one with 100k since there's no factory warranty and I've had bad luck with third party vendors. I'll be searching today but dam that Denali trim is nice, I would just rather buy two more motorcycles and a truck than just a truck in that range. :nopity:

http://dallas.craigs...3037346926.html

http://dallas.craigs...3015527768.html

http://dallas.craigs...3009447830.html

http://dallas.craigs...3033199203.html

http://dallas.craigs...3010568758.html

http://dallas.craigs...3035369280.html

 

 

Yeah, here in the desert, Im currently drivin an F-350 w/t 4-door long bed, non-dually, Its an 09 but yes the throttle is completely delayed from the input of your foot. Tranny shifts all kinds of weird and you the most noise you'll here from that truck is when you start the damn thing lol. Other than that the ride quality is good especially in this environment. Still anytime I see a 2500 or 3500 drive by, I wish I could drive it instead lol but for my circumstance right now, a/c in the truck along with radio; Ill drive this truck the whole deployment with no complaint!!!! Go Chevy or GMC for your towing needs though.

 

The desert? What you mean?? It's actually been really nice here for the past couple of weeks? :lol:

 

I would rather be in this dry heat than in that damn humidity!!!!!

haha that's SC for ya. We got a good 4 inches last night, it was crazy

 

 

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my dad just picked up a new powerstroke, nice truck. lots of power. but once again, are you willing to pay $78k plus tax to be Fords guinea pig once again????????? NOT ME. NO WAY. although this new 6.7 is supposed to be good, how many of their other trucks that came out said the same thing???? i like the new fords, be a tough decision for me IF that engine has been out as long as 6.6 it would be a tough call for me. im not a big fan of change, duramax is tried tested and true. its essentially the same engine(minus emissions updates and few other things but really...same motor) in over the last 10 years, something to be said.

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