What do you want the next model 1500 to have

[jamin87ss]

yes but it was off and on and not offered as much as it is now

Not sure about this, I feel it was more available since u could get it with any SLE, and standard not a option on denali trim

[Big Whiskey]

You are aware that GM had a 6.2 in trucks even before the EcoBoost came into the truck market. This dates back to 2007 models.

 

yes but it was off and on and not offered as much as it is now

Was the 6.2 offered in any truck besides the Denali before 2009?

[nards444]

 

Was the 6.2 offered in any truck besides the Denali before 2009?

No

[Chris]

No

But there was a 6.0

[nards444]

But there was a 6.0

wasnt that silverado max or something. Dont see to many of those

['01LS1]

I know what you guys are saying about getting an eco boost in a lower trim package. But when I looked, Ford was always a little more expensive equal options(eco boost/6.2 aside).

 

The long term question for me would be for those in the used market. I would much rather buy a used V8 with 80,000 miles than a turbo V6.

 

That & GM has the option to go the twin turbo route. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/gms-new-6-2-liter-v8-l86-vs-new-3-6-liter-twin-turbo-v6-lf3-by-the-numbers/

[Chris]

Offered in ss, denali, vho, and some non max

[nards444]

I know what you guys are saying about getting an eco boost in a lower trim package. But when I looked, Ford was always a little more expensive equal options(eco boost/6.2 aside).

 

The long term question for me would be for those in the used market. I would much rather buy a used V8 with 80,000 miles than a turbo V6.

 

That & GM has the option to go the twin turbo route. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/gms-new-6-2-liter-v8-l86-vs-new-3-6-liter-twin-turbo-v6-lf3-by-the-numbers/

used market is a good point. New-used buyers tend to be a little pickier. Really when you start talking about that 100k truck thats close to 10 years old and worth 15 grand, its more about overall condition, price for most.

 

And I have heard about that GM 3.6l, two things for GM to be succesful its going to have to run on 87 and they are going to have to get the torque band down to match fords.

[Silverado-Hareek]

Painted Frame, no AFM or knob/switch inside cab to disable AFM, better infotainment system, electronic locking tailgate, rear seat HVAC vents standard in extended and crew cab models, aluminum skid plates with the off road package, and a different engine design to address carbon build-up on the valves....I really like the idea behind Toyota's combo port injection/direct injection engine.

[nards444]

Offered in ss, denali, vho, and some non max

Beleive the SS Died after 2006, so wasnt available for the 900 series. It was a poor seller.

[Chris]

Beleive the SS Died after 2006, so wasnt available for the 900 series. It was a poor seller.

Point is they have had the larger engines for a while

[nards444]

Point is they have had the larger engines for a while

My point was they werent always offered and it was off on offered in specialty packages not standard production. I was more or less pointing to the 900 series which is what i stated, model before that was sort of irrelevent at least to me

[Big Whiskey]

But there was a 6.0

 

wasnt that silverado max or something. Dont see to many of those

Roger that. Yeah I know about the 6.0. I had two Vortec Max trucks. Just wasn't sure if the 6.2 was offered in something else besides the Denali before 2009. In 2009, you could get the 6.0 and 6.2 in the 1500's.

[WendysOrBust]

Last sentence says it all. If price points were equal than like you said its a real toss up and I think there would be little arguement if you went either way. But the problem is like you said is for roughly the same performance it saves me at least 10 grand by going ford. And if GM wants to remain competitive they are either going to have introduce a DI engine or offer the 6.2 in lower trims. Of course theres this idea that the turbos will rot and fall off the truck, but I have yet to see any empirical data on this, just theory.

 

What I find interesting is the ecoboost in the F150 is unchanged and is a first generation engine in that application, what might be interesting what generation 2 has to offer. Personally I think 2017 will be the year 3.5 gets tweaked. 6.2 is a great motor had one in my camaro, and I would have bought it if offered in the LT, issue was I was not going to spend 50k for, if I was going to spend that money I would have bought an HD truck. I think the 6.2 was GMs short term answer for the EB, as they knew the 5.3 couldnt compete, and they had the 6.2 on the shelf already. Since ford ditched their 6.2l in favor of the EB, it would be interesting to see if GM followed suit.

 

I've read in various places that the from 2012 to 2013 the 3.5 received various small upgrades. The turbos and intercooler being one of them. I can't find a good source other than typical forums posts though. And they've already done some changes to it depending on its application. The Expedition/Navigator 3.5eb is rated at 380hp/460trq, the SHO 3.5 is rated at 365hp/350trq, and for the new Ford GT a special High Output mated with a 7spd version is being made which current rumors have it at above 600hp/500trq. Same with the new 2017 Raptor, but with a 10spd transmission and lower power output.

 

You are aware that GM had a 6.2 in trucks even before the EcoBoost came into the truck market. This dates back to 2007 models.

I think he meant the new Direct Injection 6.2.

[WendysOrBust]

I know what you guys are saying about getting an eco boost in a lower trim package. But when I looked, Ford was always a little more expensive equal options(eco boost/6.2 aside).

 

The long term question for me would be for those in the used market. I would much rather buy a used V8 with 80,000 miles than a turbo V6.

 

That & GM has the option to go the twin turbo route. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/gms-new-6-2-liter-v8-l86-vs-new-3-6-liter-twin-turbo-v6-lf3-by-the-numbers/

Well yes and no. It just depends on when you go looking at the market. In 2014, well even now. GM is offering a ton of rebates on the LT/SLE's to compete with Ford and Dodge. When I was looking for a new truck about a year ago I had my eyes set on a 2014 Ruby Red XLT 3.5 EB 2wd with the 302A package (HID's, leather, rear view camera, etc...) after rebates I was looking at $33k after almost $8k in rebates. However after I test drove it I did not like the interior. It was basically this but in a light brown leather color.

 

http://topautomag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-Ford-F150-XLT-Leather-Seats.jpg

 

It just felt dated, which it was. Had hard plastics in both armrests and center console. Screen was too small, and I did not like the center infotainment center. I thought about going up to an Fx2 which has a much much nicer interior but I was looking at $38k plus TTL. Both local dealers I went to were only only offering $6k for my trade in and a much higher interest rate. I also didn't like how they treated me to be honest with you. I had the feeling that because the Fords sell so well here in Texas the dealers are less inclined to work with you, just my .02.

 

So I started looking at the GMC's, my roommate has a 2013 SLE and I really liked how it drove. I figured since I didn't tow anything anymore the could justify not going with the 3.5eb. And after I test drove the 2014 CC SLE I fell in love with it. It was much nicer than the 2014 Ford, more refined, soft and plush leather on the center console. Loved the giant screen, 20" wheels, and I honestly had an amazing time with the dealer. Showed him the internet price on the truck, which was around $32k, no fuss about it. Originally offered $7k for my trade in, but talked them into $9k, and the rest is history. I am content with my 5.3 now, although sometimes I wish it was a little peppier around town it drives and looks great and I get a ton of compliments on it from passengers.