Sierra "All-Terrain" stock tires

[aseibel]

13 minutes ago, truckguy82 said:

because I just replaced them with some of the cheapest tires you can buy for our trucks and they have atleast double the wet traction, that's right, double.

Ok, I don't know how you measured that. But anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Its a free country and you have the right to buy any tires you want. I looked at the comparison on tire-rack and YES, the wet traction rating is 9.0 for your summimotos, compared to 6.1 for the SRA's (according to online tirerack survey). So maybe everyone should be buying those instead of BFG's.

 

Just to clarify- I'm not saying the SRA's are any good at all, just that they are ok. I'm looking forward to buying new rubber, but since I bought a truck that came with 4 tires that hold air, I'm going to use them and not throw them away until the tread is at least half gone. that is all.

[Nanotech Environmental]

19 hours ago, amxguy1970 said:

It has been covered, but you know you could have negotiated tires in the deal as well when you leased... Anyway Duratracs (or more Aggressive all terrains) are worse on the road which is where probably 90-95+% of these trucks live. Manufacturers shoot for quiet, good mpg and road performance with some light off roading mixed in. They don't care how most everyone who gets all terrains/hybrids/mud terrains only do it for the look, the stock tires are plenty for most people who own these trucks. You want to look cooler or legitimately need more tire then go buy them, they dont need to cater to 5% of the people at the expense of the other 95% or so.

 

I could careless what comes on it (they will be better than anything that used to be on there years ago), I add what I want later when they are due to be replaced. If the manufacturer put a more aggressive tire on there it probably wouldn't be what I or most others want to those that are particular about tires. I would not want the BFG's on there but many would because they look cool. I would not want the duratracs, haven't heard great things about them and they are too aggressive for the time they spend on the road. So point is cater to the 90-95% of what owners use them for and let the minority buy what they want.

 

Tyler

Not sure where you would have heard bad things about the Duratracs....?? They usually receive very positive reviews on sites like Tire Rack etc. There are also a lot of folks on here that swear by them. I have set on my truck for the winter & I can't complain. My truck came with Bridgestone Duelers stock & they are a decent tire for general use in my experience. The Duratracs are a bit heavier and they are a bit noisier for sure, But they seem to do OK in the snow we've had so far. They also have decent dry pavement manners. They are aggressive enough to do basic stuff, but they certainly aren't overly aggressive like a set of super swampers and the like.

[Northman]

4 minutes ago, truckguy82 said:

What you don't understand is that it's not about the price, the tires are just complete crap.

 

Here are my new tires - better than the SRA in nearly every aspect - $115/tire

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=Encounter+HT&partnum=755HR0EHTXL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=GMC&autoYear=2014&autoModel=Sierra 1500 4wd&autoModClar=Double Cab

 

The sra's sell for $147/tire on tire rack

 

 

Right but its also about impressions, or customer impressions. My guess is manufacturers are catering to the "American Truck buyers", generally conservative, God fearing, and proud to American types, (like myself) and seeing a Japanese tire on their US (actually Mexican built "truck") may be a turnoff. Goodyear is American tire. One of the few remaining and even though you and I know its crap most probably don't. 

[truckguy82]

That is true, i can’t imagine gm installing a foreign tire

[stryker755]

1 hour ago, newdude said:

 

Its normal and all OEMs do it, not just GM.  The F-150 ran SRAs for a long time and I think still does.  Ram is no better either.  They are CAFE compliant "all terrain" tires.  Majority of what they sell gets X city and Y highway mileage, therefore the bread and butter models get the most CAFE compliant tire.  Not every truck they build is a Midnight edition, or Alaskan, or All Terrain X, therefore they can live with putting a more aggressive tire from the factory.  FYI, All Terrain X comes with Duratracs on it. 

Yes I just realized that the X comes with Duratrac's.  It's a shame that I don't want the Marty McFly series sport bar that also comes with it. 

[newdude]

58 minutes ago, stryker755 said:

Yes I just realized that the X comes with Duratrac's.  It's a shame that I don't want the Marty McFly series sport bar that also comes with it. 

 

Marty McFly isn't a permanent addition...

[granite861]

well, Ive read all these comments posted. I have the Goodyear SRAs and really don't see what all the whining is about. The tires perform just fine in rain, sleet, ice and snow as I had them on my previous truck. Just a lot of whining and crying.

[truckguy82]

16 minutes ago, granite861 said:

well, Ive read all these comments posted. I have the Goodyear SRAs and really don't see what all the whining is about. The tires perform just fine in rain, sleet, ice and snow as I had them on my previous truck. Just a lot of whining and crying.

Yeah when you have 460ftlbs of torque close to idle, live in a densely populated area, and have a blackbear tune, you really notice how much they suck. Good for you that you putt putt around and don’t care, doesn’t mean the tires don’t suck.

[granite861]

29 minutes ago, truckguy82 said:

Yeah when you have 460ftlbs of torque close to idle, live in a densely populated area, and have a blackbear tune, you really notice how much they suck. Good for you that you putt putt around and don’t care, doesn’t mean the tires don’t suck.

yeah ooh kaay

[MaverickZ71]

On 12/26/2017 at 9:20 PM, truckguy82 said:

That is horseshit, the factory tires are horrible. They are not acceptable for anyone, enthusiast or general public. They are downright dangerous and the worst tires I have ever ridden on in my life when the road is wet.

 

i thought it was the truck honestly and it’s weight distribution, I didn’t realize it was entirely the tires fault until I got my new ones on recently.

 

i never want to hear a justification for gm installing the goodyear sra’s again

GM got blasted by the '07-13 Z71/All Terrain owners for putting those "too aggressive and too loud" Bridgestone Dueler AT RHS tires on.  Then for the next generation '14-18's, they put on glorified highway tires (Goodyear SRA's and Fortitude HT's) and the owners are still complaining about stiff rides and vibrations.  So put yourself in the General's boots.  They sure as hell aren't going to install BFGoodrich K02's or Yokohama MT's or anything like that at the factory on their high-percentage mainstream trucks.  As it is, they can't wait for you guys to install aftermarket lifts and big mud tires as soon as you get your new trucks home anyway, so they can start denying the warranty claims on your modified trucks.   

[truckguy82]

Just now, MaverickZ71 said:

GM got blasted by the '07-13 Z71/All Terrain owners for putting those "too aggressive and too loud" Bridgestone Dueler AT RHS tires on.  Then for the next generation 14-18, they put on glorified highway tires (Goodyear SRA's and Fortitude HT's) and the owners are still complaining about stiff rides and vibrations.  So put yourself in the General's boots.  They sure as hell aren't going to install BFGoodrich K02's or Yokohama MT's or anything like that at the factory on their high-percentage mainstream trucks.  As it is, they can't wait for you guys to install aftermarket lifts and big mud tires as soon as you get your new trucks home anyway, so they can start denying the warranty claims on your modified trucks.   

I have no issue at all with them using highway tires, infact I prefer it with my driving conditions.

 

My gripe is the SRA's specifically, not highway tires.

[MaverickZ71]

20 hours ago, newdude said:

 

Its normal and all OEMs do it, not just GM.  The F-150 ran SRAs for a long time and I think still does.  Ram is no better either.  They are CAFE compliant "all terrain" tires.  Majority of what they sell gets X city and Y highway mileage, therefore the bread and butter models get the most CAFE compliant tire.  Not every truck they build is a Midnight edition, or Alaskan, or All Terrain X, therefore they can live with putting a more aggressive tire from the factory.  FYI, All Terrain X comes with Duratracs on it. 

+1

 

All new vehicle sales are all about CAFE--the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards mandated by the EPA.  Now that the ridiculous CAFE standards are applied to light-duty trucks, the manufacturers are putting highway tires on even the "off-road" models wherever they can get by with it.  The lower rolling resistance gets them better gas mileage numbers.  For every truck they sell, they need to sell 2-3 little cars to offset it, for their average fuel economy numbers.  And right now, cars aren't selling, trucks and SUVs are.  

 

All of the posters on here who are always ranting about "why doesn't GM/Ford/FCA make a new truck with a 6 inch lift and 37 inch mud tires and a 572 big block" don't have a clue about the current vehicle manufacturing environment.  EVERYTHING comes back to the NHTSA and EPA standards.  This is the reason why the current Z71's/All Terrains sit low with low front air dams and have highway tires.  Don't think for a minute that GM wouldn't love to sell a million retro-styled square-bodied trucks with 454's and jacked-up with big mud tires in 2019, if they could.  But they can't.  Don't complain to the other owners, your dealer, or to GM.  If people gotta rant, they should rant to their congressman to change the stupid federal rules!

[truckguy82]

1 hour ago, MaverickZ71 said:

+1

 

All new vehicle sales are all about CAFE--the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards mandated by the EPA.  Now that the ridiculous CAFE standards are applied to light-duty trucks, the manufacturers are putting highway tires on even the "off-road" models wherever they can get by with it.  The lower rolling resistance gets them better gas mileage numbers.  For every truck they sell, they need to sell 2-3 little cars to offset it, for their average fuel economy numbers.  And right now, cars aren't selling, trucks and SUVs are.  

 

All of the posters on here who are always ranting about "why doesn't GM/Ford/FCA make a new truck with a 6 inch lift and 37 inch mud tires and a 572 big block" don't have a clue about the current vehicle manufacturing environment.  EVERYTHING comes back to the NHTSA and EPA standards.  This is the reason why the current Z71's/All Terrains sit low with low front air dams and have highway tires.  Don't think for a minute that GM wouldn't love to sell a million retro-styled square-bodied trucks with 454's and jacked-up with big mud tires in 2019, if they could.  But they can't.  Don't complain to the other owners, your dealer, or to GM.  If people gotta rant, they should rant to their congressman to change the stupid federal rules!

This has absolutely nothing to do with fuel economy, the nhtsa, or the epa.

 

We have two people bitching in here, it's me about the SRA's specifically, and the OP about tires that are offered on the same exact pickup truck in a different trim.

 

You just typed all that for no reason at all.

[MaverickZ71]

4 hours ago, truckguy82 said:

This has absolutely nothing to do with fuel economy, the nhtsa, or the epa.

 

We have two people bitching in here, it's me about the SRA's specifically, and the OP about tires that are offered on the same exact pickup truck in a different trim.

 

You just typed all that for no reason at all.

The primary reason GM puts SRA's on a truck from the factory is the EPA fuel mileage requirements and wanting a soft smooth ride for their average customer, so that does tie in, even if you can't wrap your brain around it.

 

You just typed 7 emails to say how much you hate Goodyear SRA tires; most of us would say for no reason at all.  So change tires already for Christsakes, you don't need our permission to do so.  Run what you want.  Use your old tires for tire swings or suppositories, whichever makes you happiest.  If your new tires aren't any good in the wet, stay home until it's dry.  We don't care.  And for future reference, the General doesn't give a rats' behind if you like it's factory tires or not--they won because you bought the truck anyway.  

 

 

 

 

[truckguy82]

2 hours ago, MaverickZ71 said:

The primary reason GM puts SRA's on a truck from the factory is the EPA fuel mileage requirements and wanting a soft smooth ride for their average customer, so that does tie in, even if you can't wrap your brain around it.

 

You just typed 7 emails to say how much you hate Goodyear SRA tires; most of us would say for no reason at all.  So change tires already for Christsakes, you don't need our permission to do so.  Run what you want.  Use your old tires for tire swings or suppositories, whichever makes you happiest.  If your new tires aren't any good in the wet, stay home until it's dry.  We don't care.  And for future reference, the General doesn't give a rats' behind if you like it's factory tires or not--they won because you bought the truck anyway.  

 

 

 

 

Ah you obviously missed where I said I already bought new tires, tires that are cheaper than the sra’s and much much better.

 

Also pretty much everybody hates the sra’s except a few old people that putt putt around in their base model trucks somewhere in a flyover state.