Sierra "All-Terrain" stock tires

[stryker755]

Pardon me if this topic has already been covered.  I got a 2017 all-terrain double cab and I like everything about it except the stock tires.  My father in law just brought home  an '18 Silverado Midnight and of course those come with Duratracs.  I am quite familiar with those trucks because there are about 3 or 4 of them at every intersection here in Michigan.  I get it they look sweet but damn why does everyone want the same truck.  Why on earth would GM not put Duratracs on the "all-terrain"?  I know I could easily pay to add them but it's a lease so I'm leaving it stock.  Got tired of the mortgage payments on my 2015 Denali Duramax haha.   Any of you guys feel this way about it?  Just expressing some frustration as a long time GM customer who grows weary of their phony appearance package schemes that are all a Z71 with different stickers.  

[amxguy1970]

It has been covered, but you know you could have negotiated tires in the deal as well when you leased... Anyway Duratracs (or more Aggressive all terrains) are worse on the road which is where probably 90-95+% of these trucks live. Manufacturers shoot for quiet, good mpg and road performance with some light off roading mixed in. They don't care how most everyone who gets all terrains/hybrids/mud terrains only do it for the look, the stock tires are plenty for most people who own these trucks. You want to look cooler or legitimately need more tire then go buy them, they dont need to cater to 5% of the people at the expense of the other 95% or so.

 

I could careless what comes on it (they will be better than anything that used to be on there years ago), I add what I want later when they are due to be replaced. If the manufacturer put a more aggressive tire on there it probably wouldn't be what I or most others want to those that are particular about tires. I would not want the BFG's on there but many would because they look cool. I would not want the duratracs, haven't heard great things about them and they are too aggressive for the time they spend on the road. So point is cater to the 90-95% of what owners use them for and let the minority buy what they want.

 

Tyler

[truckguy82]

11 minutes ago, amxguy1970 said:

It has been covered, but you know you could have negotiated tires in the deal as well when you leased... Anyway Duratracs (or more Aggressive all terrains) are worse on the road which is where probably 90-95+% of these trucks live. Manufacturers shoot for quiet, good mpg and road performance with some light off roading mixed in. They don't care how most everyone who gets all terrains/hybrids/mud terrains only do it for the look, the stock tires are plenty for most people who own these trucks. You want to look cooler or legitimately need more tire then go buy them, they dont need to cater to 5% of the people at the expense of the other 95% or so.

 

I could careless what comes on it (they will be better than anything that used to be on there years ago), I add what I want later when they are due to be replaced. If the manufacturer put a more aggressive tire on there it probably wouldn't be what I or most others want to those that are particular about tires. I would not want the BFG's on there but many would because they look cool. I would not want the duratracs, haven't heard great things about them and they are too aggressive for the time they spend on the road. So point is cater to the 90-95% of what owners use them for and let the minority buy what they want.

 

Tyler

That is horseshit, the factory tires are horrible. They are not acceptable for anyone, enthusiast or general public. They are downright dangerous and the worst tires I have ever ridden on in my life when the road is wet.

 

i thought it was the truck honestly and it’s weight distribution, I didn’t realize it was entirely the tires fault until I got my new ones on recently.

 

i never want to hear a justification for gm installing the goodyear sra’s again

[stryker755]

28 minutes ago, amxguy1970 said:

It has been covered, but you know you could have negotiated tires in the deal as well when you leased... Anyway Duratracs (or more Aggressive all terrains) are worse on the road which is where probably 90-95+% of these trucks live. Manufacturers shoot for quiet, good mpg and road performance with some light off roading mixed in. They don't care how most everyone who gets all terrains/hybrids/mud terrains only do it for the look, the stock tires are plenty for most people who own these trucks. You want to look cooler or legitimately need more tire then go buy them, they dont need to cater to 5% of the people at the expense of the other 95% or so.

 

I could careless what comes on it (they will be better than anything that used to be on there years ago), I add what I want later when they are due to be replaced. If the manufacturer put a more aggressive tire on there it probably wouldn't be what I or most others want to those that are particular about tires. I would not want the BFG's on there but many would because they look cool. I would not want the duratracs, haven't heard great things about them and they are too aggressive for the time they spend on the road. So point is cater to the 90-95% of what owners use them for and let the minority buy what they want.

 

Tyler

I totally agree with all of your points about the stockers being fine for most buyers.  My main argument is the they put the DT's on the "murdered out" silvy fad-mobile but they are going to name my truck the all-terrain and try to act like its more off-road capable than the rest of the rigs on the lot when in actuality it is all smoke and mirrors.  I shouldn't have to buy the murdered-out series to have the better tire.

 

Thanks for your insight.

[AgDoctor]

The stock SRAs are complete crap and have no business on a pickup. They are not all terrain by any definition for one, they also are only 4 ply, and they are not very durable. All of these points have been covered though. Pickup owners these days have pushed GM to make their truck look and function more like a car than a truck, with the low ride height and car tires. Ford and Ram have done a better job by keeping the trucks taller and more truck like. Back in the nineties if you wanted a truck but also wanted fuel economy and didn't like tall step instructions, then you got a 2wd, but today everyone gets a trophy and they all are the same height +/- an inch.


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[Lgetz]

It is what it is.  Replace stock tires with Michelin, Toyo, BFG, Cooper, Nitto, or other brand of tires instead.  I put a 2.5" leveling kit and Toyo Open Country RT 33x12.5x20's on my stock All Terrain wheels and haven't looked back.  Kept original SRA's which will go back on truck should I trade/sell the truck.

[amused2deth]

It has been covered, but you know you could have negotiated tires in the deal as well when you leased... Anyway Duratracs (or more Aggressive all terrains) are worse on the road which is where probably 90-95+% of these trucks live. Manufacturers shoot for quiet, good mpg and road performance with some light off roading mixed in. They don't care how most everyone who gets all terrains/hybrids/mud terrains only do it for the look, the stock tires are plenty for most people who own these trucks. You want to look cooler or legitimately need more tire then go buy them, they dont need to cater to 5% of the people at the expense of the other 95% or so.
 
I could careless what comes on it (they will be better than anything that used to be on there years ago), I add what I want later when they are due to be replaced. If the manufacturer put a more aggressive tire on there it probably wouldn't be what I or most others want to those that are particular about tires. I would not want the BFG's on there but many would because they look cool. I would not want the duratracs, haven't heard great things about them and they are too aggressive for the time they spend on the road. So point is cater to the 90-95% of what owners use them for and let the minority buy what they want.
 
Tyler

Whaaaaaat?!? Why no BFGs? I loved them on my Blazer and plan on getting them for my truck.



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[tnchevy]

I know the stock tires are not the greatest but Fiat (Ram) and Ford also put crappy SRA's on their "off-road" trucks as well so it's not just a GM thing.  My last two trucks were also Z71's and they also came with crappy tires from the factory.  The Sra's do suck in the rain but I have had no problems with them in the snow and mine are holding up better than I expected.  I've got 22k miles on my 14 and the tires are down to 8/32 (rotated every 5k miles).

[Tattooo]

I know the stock tires are not the greatest but Fiat (Ram) and Ford also put crappy SRA's on their "off-road" trucks as well so it's not just a GM thing.  My last two trucks were also Z71's and they also came with crappy tires from the factory.  The Sra's do suck in the rain but I have had no problems with them in the snow and mine are holding up better than I expected.  I've got 22k miles on my 14 and the tires are down to 8/32 (rotated every 5k miles).

I completely agree +1

[aseibel]

16 hours ago, truckguy82 said:

That is horseshit, the factory tires are horrible. They are not acceptable for anyone, enthusiast or general public. They are downright dangerous and the worst tires I have ever ridden on in my life when the road is wet.

 

i thought it was the truck honestly and it’s weight distribution, I didn’t realize it was entirely the tires fault until I got my new ones on recently.

 

i never want to hear a justification for gm installing the goodyear sra’s again

jeeze, exaggerate much? We all know you couldn't accelerate without spinning the rear wheels in the rain. We also all know the stock tires are not designed for off-road or anything other than paved suburban roads.

 

But just ease up on the "dangerous" a bit. The stock tires are adequate for normal driving. I have never once felt unsafe because of them. While I admit I can squawk the back tires more easily when the road is wet (can't you say the same for every tire out there?) I have also noticed that my traction in the snow is surprisingly good considering the tread pattern. I'm not saying that its great, it's just not bad. I have absolutely no difficulty keeping my tires from spinning if i am driving normally. Even in the snow. I plow snow with my truck on the stock tires. I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

 

GM has chosen a tire that maximizes fuel mileage and minimizes noise. Its easy for you to buy new tires if you want something different, and a lot of people do. I will be buying Cooper A/T3's when mine wear out. But my stock tires are not preventing me from driving off road for hunting, driving in the rain or plowing snow. I think most people get hung up on the appearance of the tire. There is a lot more to tire performance than the size/shape of the tread and the name on the side.

 

end of rant. i can't wait to read replies.

[aseibel]

17 hours ago, stryker755 said:

Pardon me if this topic has already been covered.  I got a 2017 all-terrain double cab and I like everything about it except the stock tires.  Why on earth would GM not put Duratracs on the "all-terrain"?  I know I could easily pay to add them but it's a lease so I'm leaving it stock. 

if you search around the forum, this topic has been covered several times. Plenty of complaints to read.

 

I agree that it would be nice when buying a new truck to give me a $600 tire allowance for me to select the rubber I want instead of being stuck with the Goodyears.  But as others have stated, the SRA's meet the needs of the majority of customers while being quiet and fuel efficient, so let the minority accessorize however they want. If they bother you that much, buy a new set of wheels and tires, store the stock ones. After your lease is up, put the original wheels on and you can either sell your aftermarket ones or keep them for the next ride.

[Northman]

8 minutes ago, aseibel said:

jeeze, exaggerate much? We all know you couldn't accelerate without spinning the rear wheels in the rain. We also all know the stock tires are not designed for off-road or anything other than paved suburban roads.

 

But just ease up on the "dangerous" a bit. The stock tires are adequate for normal driving. I have never once felt unsafe because of them. While I admit I can squawk the back tires more easily when the road is wet (can't you say the same for every tire out there?) I have also noticed that my traction in the snow is surprisingly good considering the tread pattern. I'm not saying that its great, it's just not bad. I have absolutely no difficulty keeping my tires from spinning if i am driving normally. Even in the snow. I plow snow with my truck on the stock tires. I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

 

GM has chosen a tire that maximizes fuel mileage and minimizes noise. Its easy for you to buy new tires if you want something different, and a lot of people do. I will be buying Cooper A/T3's when mine wear out. But my stock tires are not preventing me from driving off road for hunting, driving in the rain or plowing snow. I think most people get hung up on the appearance of the tire. There is a lot more to tire performance than the size/shape of the tread and the name on the side.

 

end of rant. i can't wait to read replies.

Right. Agree. GM knows most people (and most on here) don't use their Pick up as a truck. More of a glorified "man cars" that's already so optioned up that the only way anybody can afford one is by low mileage leases or 72 month payment plans so why add to the cost by throwing on $1000 tires when $500 tires will do?

[truckguy82]

44 minutes ago, aseibel said:

We also all know the stock tires are not designed for off-road or anything other than paved suburban roads.

who said anything about off-road, I'm talking about on road

 

While I admit I can squawk the back tires more easily when the road is wet (can't you say the same for every tire out there?)

No you can't say the same for every tire out there, it is horrible. You also have only driven your truck with the sra's, you can't comment because you have nothing to compare except other vehicles. It is a stone cold fact that they have horrible wet traction. The wet traction is the poorest I've ever experienced. How do I know? because I just replaced them with some of the cheapest tires you can buy for our trucks and they have at least double the wet traction, that's right, double.

 

GM has chosen a tire that maximizes fuel mileage and minimizes noise. Its easy for you to buy new tires if you want something different, and a lot of people do. I will be buying Cooper A/T3's when mine wear out. But my stock tires are not preventing me from driving off road for hunting, driving in the rain or plowing snow. I think most people get hung up on the appearance of the tire. There is a lot more to tire performance than the size/shape of the tread and the name on the side.

That's just fantastic that you are capable of doing all those things with these tires! Is that your argument for how the tires are not that bad. Well no shit you can still do all those things, they are still made of rubber and they aren't completely bald. I suppose if that's your only criteria for tire performance, you might as well go buy some used tires when yours wear out.

The argument you made for the tires is about is logical as arguing your 1988 4 cyl toyota pickup isn't slow because, well, "gosh darnit this here pickup accelerates just fine and it hasn't prevented me from doing anything"

 

Fact is, the SRA's are grade A junk and I wish I took a video of my maximum acceleration in the wet with the sra's vs the cheap $115/corner summimotos I just replaced them with. You would be astounded at the difference in maximum grip. I don't care if you felt safe or unsafe, having less physical grip is less safe than having more. The sra's have a wet grip that are substandard to what we should expect from a modern automobile.

 

[newdude]

18 hours ago, stryker755 said:

Pardon me if this topic has already been covered.  I got a 2017 all-terrain double cab and I like everything about it except the stock tires.  My father in law just brought home  an '18 Silverado Midnight and of course those come with Duratracs.  I am quite familiar with those trucks because there are about 3 or 4 of them at every intersection here in Michigan.  I get it they look sweet but damn why does everyone want the same truck.  Why on earth would GM not put Duratracs on the "all-terrain"?  I know I could easily pay to add them but it's a lease so I'm leaving it stock.  Got tired of the mortgage payments on my 2015 Denali Duramax haha.   Any of you guys feel this way about it?  Just expressing some frustration as a long time GM customer who grows weary of their phony appearance package schemes that are all a Z71 with different stickers.  

 

Its normal and all OEMs do it, not just GM.  The F-150 ran SRAs for a long time and I think still does.  Ram is no better either.  They are CAFE compliant "all terrain" tires.  Majority of what they sell gets X city and Y highway mileage, therefore the bread and butter models get the most CAFE compliant tire.  Not every truck they build is a Midnight edition, or Alaskan, or All Terrain X, therefore they can live with putting a more aggressive tire from the factory.  FYI, All Terrain X comes with Duratracs on it. 

[truckguy82]

37 minutes ago, Northman said:

Right. Agree. GM knows most people (and most on here) don't use their Pick up as a truck. More of a glorified "man cars" that's already so optioned up that the only way anybody can afford one is by low mileage leases or 72 month payment plans so why add to the cost by throwing on $1000 tires when $500 tires will do?

What you don't understand is that it's not about the price, the tires are just complete crap.

 

Here are my new tires - better than the SRA in nearly every aspect - $115/tire

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=Encounter+HT&partnum=755HR0EHTXL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=GMC&autoYear=2014&autoModel=Sierra 1500 4wd&autoModClar=Double Cab

 

The sra's sell for $147/tire on tire rack