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jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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i've been on a mild bender of watching truck reviews and comparisons, and it seems the reviewer focuses more on where the buttons are then how tough the truck is...does anybody else want to see the big 4 trucks put through a true wringer of sorts, to see really how long and well these trucks will perform under real life situations that a truck would be, i buy a truck to be a truck, to be tough and to work..i'll worry about button lay outs and interior when i'm 65 and have nothing else to bitch about(unless the interior is so god awful then i'll move that plan ahead lol)

06yz125 Enthusiast

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I agree..Just curious who the 4th player is? If we're talking 1/2 tons maybe toyota, datsun, etc..

but if its 3/4 ton or above who else would have something comparable?

 

Thought I'd throw the datsun thing in there for you old guys..LOL

tanked_darren Senior Enthusiast

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You know what I'd like to see them put in truck reveiws? Ease of repairing simple things like headlights and transmission filters, common tune-up areas and such. :thumbs:

jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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toyota tundra is in almost all truck reviews, minus the HD/super duty comparisons.....sadly it ranks higher then gm in all of the ones i've watched, but those are retarded reviews where they focus more on the number of stitches in the seat then what a truck is really made for....maintance would be cool, but the average consumer barely knows how to check oil, or even change a flat at that

tanked_darren Senior Enthusiast

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toyota tundra is in almost all truck reviews, minus the HD/super duty comparisons.....sadly it ranks higher then gm in all of the ones i've watched, but those are retarded reviews where they focus more on the number of stitches in the seat then what a truck is really made for....maintance would be cool, but the average consumer barely knows how to check oil, or even change a flat at that

 

 

I would think a fair amount of consumers out there work on thier own vehicles, but I know what you mean, most new car/truck purchasers are people who sell them before they need work.

Nytemare Senior Enthusiast

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toyota tundra is in almost all truck reviews, minus the HD/super duty comparisons.....sadly it ranks higher then gm in all of the ones i've watched, but those are retarded reviews where they focus more on the number of stitches in the seat then what a truck is really made for....maintance would be cool, but the average consumer barely knows how to check oil, or even change a flat at that

 

 

I would think a fair amount of consumers out there work on thier own vehicles, but I know what you mean, most new car/truck purchasers are people who sell them before they need work.

 

 

Hell man, I'm one of those people... I build engines and fix things all the time for others, but I dont care to do a piss load of work on my own vehicles any more. Change oil, shocks etc...basicly replacement parts is fine...but I'd rather bring it in for warranty when major repairs are needed. If I have to fix it my self, that means I am without a vehicle for as long as it takes to fix it...if I have it fixed under warranty...they provide a loner for me.

 

as for the tundra;

Friend of mine has a Tundra. Single Cab regular box 4WD. It tows 10500lbs, and he hasn't lost off a light yet against anything. large rear gears and a really low 1st gear helps though.

 

He absolutely loves the truck. It does everything he needs it to do and more, but he has also never owned anything that has so many little issues. Every time it comes due for an oil change there is a light on or a squeak creak or something. Having said that, the service he receives is nothing short of stellar. They always give him a loner, and never give back his truck with the dreaded "could not duplicate" response.

 

He paid 10K more than an equivalent "domestic" vehicle but the service he receives is well worth it.

 

I say "Domestic" because his truck was made in the US, as are GM's Fords and Dodges, so really they're all imports to us.

tanked_darren Senior Enthusiast

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Hell man, I'm one of those people... I build engines and fix things all the time for others, but I dont care to do a piss load of work on my own vehicles any more. Change oil, shocks etc...basicly replacement parts is fine...but I'd rather bring it in for warranty when major repairs are needed. If I have to fix it my self, that means I am without a vehicle for as long as it takes to fix it...if I have it fixed under warranty...they provide a loner for me.

 

Yes, but what I was getting at in an earlier post was that I wanted to see reviews of that kind of stuff included, because I don't know about you, this happened just a few thousand out of warranty. But you need girl hands to change a headlight bulb on a GMC new body style. The correct way is disassembling part of the front!

And what the hell? Why did they make the tranny pan a 1/2inch (not even) away from coming off properly? I have to take the exhaust off? or (remove tranny mount and jack it up a bit which is what I did).

 

You know, I understand the "mechanic" needs to eat too. But I will, from now on, look at these minor details when I buy a new vehicle.

gregrocks89 Senior Enthusiast

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We have the brand new titans and brand new chevys at work. The titans do have alot of power and they do ride really nice and they got a diff lock to. But they just dont handle the abuse like our chevys can.

 

The chevys at work they have been through hell and back for being one year old. They only go in the shop for just your basic maintenance intervals. The titans always go to the shop for constant front end problems. We blew the front diffs on every titan and replaced the whole drive trains on them. They are great for a highway and powerwise but going down lease roads and such they break down to fast.

 

And if you put a garbage bag in the box your headlights are pointed to the sky :thumbs:

Nytemare Senior Enthusiast

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You know, I understand the "mechanic" needs to eat too. But I will, from now on, look at these minor details when I buy a new vehicle.

I wish that were the case....but is more a case of the greedy corporation that soaks you 125 bucks an hour while the mechanic that works on it gets 25 of that or less.

 

You should see what you have to do to get the base pan off a minivan. You have to drop the entire drive train out to do a rebuild...That's unsat.

 

I would like to kick an automotive engineer square in the nuts for some of the stuff they come up with. Remember the ford Areostar van....the one that was a six cylinder, but you could only get at 4 plugs to change them.

jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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i want truck makers to get more in touch with their roots...rock solid trucks that go and go and go, but at the moment they care more about luxurys, if i wanted a luxury cruiser i would of got a cadilac or a benzo

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i agree, well ive got to put a few diff brands to the test myself. my company leases trucks for me, i always get 3/4 ton or 1 tons SRW's.we return them at 40k kms because they are usually pretty hurtin by then LOL :P. diesels and a couple gassers, so far ive had 2008 duramax, 2008 ford powerstroke and 2008 cummins. gassers ive had a 2009 3/4 chevy with 6 litre and as of right now im driving the 2011 ford with 6.2. i drive 85 kms to and from the mine i work at, while im at work its allllll mine driving in oil sand open pits. we HAMMER on the trucks, constantly putting WAY to much weight in them. basically think of the hardest situations you have ever out your truck in in your life and thats what i do to them on a daily basis. i also drive them around town after work..remember i put about 200kms each day on these pick-ups. right off the bat i can tell you GM always has the nicest ride, most comfortable BUT they arent the toughest. the duramax i drove, we returned it it had $15 000 dollars damage done to it :):lol::lol::lol: i kinda got my pee pee slapped for that one...but it wasnt my fault. i was just takin it where it has to go, in the process the running boards and rocker panels were obliterated, the inside of the box was screwed, the tailgate was like completely screwe and it was losing boost somewhere, the DPF was really annoying when towing. not too mention the whole front end was beat right out. but overall never let me down once. so it was okay. the powerstroke was a right off, only kept it for about 20k kms cuz it was always in the shop...but she took a good beating tho :). the cummins was the most uncomfortable of the bunch on the inside, rode the roughest and sucked the most fuel...i drove it for 50k kms. the cummins was by far the best tower tho, our trailer we pull is about 12 500 lbs....you would barely notice it. that 6.7 litre can PULL, a couple exhaust sensors went went to the shop once. by 45k kms, upper and lower ball joints were shot and for some reason the truck sat on a tilt :thumbs: . but i drove many other ford gassers, with the v-10...those trucks are completely gutless, couldnt pull a weiner off of a dinner plate BUT those trucks can take a real bad beating ill tell you first hand they are by far the toughest truck, only somebody workin in the oil sands would know how hard we drive these trucks. every mine around here buys ford 3/4 ton gassers, not just a few im talkin hundreds and hundreds of them. you can hammer on them day in and day out and they keep goin. nothing will break. the front ends are bulletproof i swear. but they are gutless hard on gas and ride like a lumber wagon. we always say at work, the best truck we could ask for has got chevy interior, ford frame and under-carraige and a cummins between the legs, that would be my ultimate truck.

 

right now i only got about 10k kms on the brand new ford 6.2, so far i like it. its got more nuts that the 6.0 chevy does when towing, little better on gas than the v-10....ill see how it is at about 50k kms.

but what i was getting at is i totally 100% agree that most of the reviews they do on trucks are pretty sad....put them down in a mine for 4 months and beat the $Hlt out of them see how they do...put 3000lbs in the box down on the lowest bench in the pit, in the pouring rain goin thru 2 foot deep mud holes in the middle of a maze of 400 ton truck ruts see how they do. or take the deisels down there in january in -50C, hammer on them for awhile. let them idle for weeks on end see how they do...they need to do real world tests not 1/4 mile times...like who cares???? i want a truck that i can use as a truck...sorry for my rant but i totally agree....

jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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thats exactly what i want, a test of strength and long term durability....pretty much a truck beat down for an extended period of time to see if the truck really can handle being a truck...i put alot of trucks through their paces at work and see alot of people swapping brands because of drawbacks, ford and gm dominate here the latter is the bigger posse...my main thing right now is can the new HDs keep up with the new super dutys? i know the duramax is the better power plant but what about the suspension? i mean can an independent front end keep up with the solid front end or is it doomed to the road?

gregrocks89 Senior Enthusiast

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I agree with you there i live in gp alberta and most companies buy ford f 350 and 250 just cuase they handle the weight and beat the shit outta them. But they dont got no power usually. I work for surepoint technologies and alberta ground control and we always have chevy trucks and they take the biggest beating out there and they just keep going. With alberta ground its titans and they ride nice but cant handle any beatings

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I think they nitpick too much at horsepower and torque numbers. I want low end power, and reliability. The rest of my requirements any truck can fulfill.

sk Senior Enthusiast

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This doesn't address all of your concerns, but it's a pretty unbiased comparison of the HD trucks under real-world conditions:

 

HD Truck Shootout

 

It's a long read but they do talk about ride quality, steering response, front end issues, etc. in between some of the graphs.

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