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jblakeney Senior Enthusiast

jblakeney

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People have been doing this for years....... It is even listed in the back of the WIX filter catalog for most filters. Note, during an engine transplant that moves your filter into the wrong location, this is the section that becomes your best friend. .. ...

 

The 350's had a 1060 in 2wd form and 1036 in 4wd form. You could on a 2wd place a 1794 filter in its spot, it is a 2 quart filter instead of 1 quart as the 1060 had.

 

Now, with that said, if your in warranty, play buy the GM rules. PF what ever they say or its equivalant in another brand (Magnuson-Moss Act, Tie-in-Sales). But if your out of warranty feel free to add the larger filter and extra capacity.

 

The extra capacity could bring your engine oil temp down a little (especially with an oil cooler), as you now have more oil in the system. Therefor adding more oil to be circulated around in the system. If your thinking that way. Edgewise, the add oil in the oil filter, could result in more oil to the top of the block quicker after starting the engine. Or, the extra oil could be a plus if you poked a hole in your filter, or oil pan.

 

Now, if your thinking about debris that entered the engine in keeping the oil clean of that debris. Your on the wrong end of the engine. That is done in the air filter. If you wait for it to finally find its way to the oil filter, you've allowed the trash in the engine and allowed it to pass by the rings and down into the oil (or other area of entry into the oiling system). Personally I want a HIGH quality NON-OIL CHARGED air filter. Oil does not play well with MAF sensors.

 

Ya, Ford just hasn't ever got the picture of where to put the blasted oil filter........ Servicing that sucks on most RWD Fords. .. ... I even have several Ford products that you have to turn the steering wheel the correct way before attempting to remove the filter for the required room. Even have a couple I added remote filters to just because of the space issue.

 

Jbo

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tanked_darren Senior Enthusiast

tanked_darren

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Speaking of terrible to replace filters... try replacing a oil filter on a OHV 2.2 sunfire, mofo is sideways need a socket, or 20 mins of time with a strap wrench. Glad the ecotech is much more user friendly, I guess my sunfire was from a time of "hope they pay the dealer to do it" time. I'll still do it myself, only cause I have access to a hoist.

lowrider Enthusiast

lowrider

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From all that I have read the filter characteristics appear to be the same (relief and anti drainback valves). And there are a number of new GM models that come with the PF63 that say replace with the PF48. So they both have the same threads. This topic has been discussed before around the net. I will be changing to a PF63 with my next oil change.

 

http://www.gm-trucks...howtopic=119855

 

Did some more checking and found the specs:

 

PF63

Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on

Anti-Drain Valve YES

Gasket I.D. 2.45"

Gasket O.D. 2.76"

Gasket Usage Base

Product Height 4.06"

Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd

Product O.D. 2.98"

Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-15

 

PF48

Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on

Anti-Drain Valve YES

Gasket I.D. 2.45"

Gasket O.D. 2.76"

Gasket Thickness .19"

Gasket Usage Base

Product Height 3.33"

Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd

Product O.D. 3"

Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-12

 

Seems like the only real specification difference is Pressure spring valve setting (9-12 PSI vs 9-15 PSI) IMO, not a real difference.

 

Lou

 

Oh, and they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Wolfmanjohn Enthusiast

Wolfmanjohn

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As I've written before, if you want better filtration in the AC Delco line, go to the UPF (black can) series.

MaverickZ71 Senior Enthusiast

MaverickZ71

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As I've written before, if you want better filtration in the AC Delco line, go to the UPF (black can) series.

 

 

Do they even make those anymore? I was under the impression that AC Delco quit manufacturing their Ultraguard Gold (black can) oil filters years ago.

Wolfmanjohn Enthusiast

Wolfmanjohn

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I had no problem stocking up on UPF48Rs six months ago.

j13smiley Enthusiast

j13smiley

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sweet! thank you for the information!

 

i've been running the longer filter on my fbody cars for years (many of us have). on the ls1 motors the longer filter does hand just below the pan... i understand the potential for disaster, but 4 ls1 cars in 14 years and i've yet to have a problem.

 

i'll be putting the longer filter on my truck next filter change - thank you!

 

ps - since we're throwing gas on the fire i also use napa gold filters instead of ac delco if anyone wants to start that debate ;)

tanked_darren Senior Enthusiast

tanked_darren

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sweet! thank you for the information!

 

i've been running the longer filter on my fbody cars for years (many of us have). on the ls1 motors the longer filter does hand just below the pan... i understand the potential for disaster, but 4 ls1 cars in 14 years and i've yet to have a problem.

 

i'll be putting the longer filter on my truck next filter change - thank you!

 

ps - since we're throwing gas on the fire i also use napa gold filters instead of ac delco if anyone wants to start that debate ;)

 

What's to debate, NAPA gold is a premium filter, made by WiX I believe.

newdude Senior Enthusiast

newdude

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From all that I have read the filter characteristics appear to be the same (relief and anti drainback valves). And there are a number of new GM models that come with the PF63 that say replace with the PF48. So they both have the same threads. This topic has been discussed before around the net. I will be changing to a PF63 with my next oil change.

 

http://www.gm-trucks...howtopic=119855

 

Did some more checking and found the specs:

 

PF63

Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on

Anti-Drain Valve YES

Gasket I.D. 2.45"

Gasket O.D. 2.76"

Gasket Usage Base

Product Height 4.06"

Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd

Product O.D. 2.98"

Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-15

 

PF48

Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on

Anti-Drain Valve YES

Gasket I.D. 2.45"

Gasket O.D. 2.76"

Gasket Thickness .19"

Gasket Usage Base

Product Height 3.33"

Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd

Product O.D. 3"

Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-12

 

Seems like the only real specification difference is Pressure spring valve setting (9-12 PSI vs 9-15 PSI) IMO, not a real difference.

 

Lou

 

Oh, and they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

 

Other way around on the 48/63 stuff. Any/all 2011 and up high feature V6 engines (3.0, 3.6 V6) can and may leave the factory with a 48, but the service filter is the 63. As far as I see, there was no reason given by GM for the filter switch but I think its due to timing chain stretch issues in the Lambda trucks (side note: Long oil change intervals and dino oil seems to be common amogst those issues with the chains). Bigger filter with more filtering media to pair up with the OLM and now the use of Dexos. GM does say that a 63 can go on pre 2011 high feature V6's, no problem.

 

GM has not said, however, if a 63 can be used on trucks, so personally, I wouldn't run one unless GM puts it on from the factory or if they say its doable.

Spurshot Senior Enthusiast

Spurshot

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Well, you can always buy the Wix filter cross reference. It's a whopping 4.8" tall. Go Big! :ughdance:

amc31b Enthusiast

amc31b

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GM has not said, however, if a 63 can be used on trucks, so personally, I wouldn't run one unless GM puts it on from the factory or if they say its doable.

 

Ding, ding, ding! That is the bottom line folks. Yes the 48 and 63 have very similar specs but that argument isnt going to work in warranty land if you have any issues. You need to follow GM's spec on the filter to avoid any warranty problems and be aware you need to follow GM's spec. Not the dealer, not a gm mechanic but GM themselves.

I have talked about the advantages of a taller filter in one of my previous posts but the slight advantages are not worth the trouble it could cause if you are still under warranty.

Dale_K Enthusiast

Dale_K

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I'd like to see them use a cartridge filter like my Cruze and my new Jeep. The plastic filter cartridge housing is reusable - you only replace the paper filter element. Plus there's a big 24mm "bolt" on the housing so you don't need a filter wrench. The best part is you can visually inspect the old filter element to see whether there's anything in there, like metal chips, etc.

motoGPatrick Enthusiast

motoGPatrick

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http://www.rubiconow...hp?f=38&t=58887

 

A different application but shows the variations in size and quality for a specific application between brands of filters. I have heard a few people who cut delco filters open and were not impressed.. they did not hurl like when they saw a fram opened up but not as good as they expected..

 

After opening up a OEM purflux filter I took off my car I was amazed at the quality and could see why the guys in Modena chose it. It has the zig zag pleats.

 

This is from the delorean guys but a good shot of a Purflux.

 

http://www.dmcnews.c...oil_filters.htm

 

purfluxlarge.jpg

 

http://www.purflux.c...=26&lang=EN

 

The LS718 filter is the cross reference for the PF48 and has more filter area than a PF63 due to the herringbone pleats.

tyhuck Senior Enthusiast

tyhuck

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People need to stop complaining about the filter location. This is my second GM truck with the filter in that spot and I've never given it a second's thought. Buy a damn cup wrench to fit the filter and move on.

 

For the guys that complain about the filter location, get a Tundra and do an oil change on one of those....... there is nothing wrong with the location on our trucks and it is very easy to change.

 

 

Totally agree with both you guys. With a cup wrench there is no easier oil change than on a Silverado. How much easier could it be? I gave up on Tundra oil changes when I was driving the Yota. The cartridge, the skid plate....life's too short.

 

Compare the access of our filter to where they hid the filter on the Ford F-150 Ecoboost.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q7uxf4Zzxw

 

By the way, the FL500S Motorcraft filter on the Ecoboost will screw onto our trucks as well. Anyone game? I'll pass. Nothing wrong with a Motorcraft filter (it's bigger than the PF48), but it wasn't designed for our engines.

 

 

 

Yet another reason Im not gonna buy a Ford. I dont like the fact that they are designing these vehicles so that I cant work on them myself in my driveway. They all do it, but this is rediculous.

Wolfmanjohn Enthusiast

Wolfmanjohn

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I didn't know the sight of the inside of an oil filter was enough to make someone hurl!! :puke::jester:

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