What did you do to your "other" car (aka musclecar) today

[SnakeEyeSS]

The paint was awesome. They did a ligenfelter (555) LS3 6 speed.

 

 

Ryan

Chip is an artist he does some great work. You don't have to agree with it but you have to agree he is talented

 

 

Ryan

I'll try to find the link

 

 

Here it is.

 

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=765319

 

Used parts from the wrong YEARS AND BRAND!

 

 

But, some of the hate is from cranky guys too as you will read

Edited February 1, 2015 by SnakeEyes

[RyanbabZ71]

But you have to understand they weren't trying to go for original numbers matching. Just making a cool car.

 

 

Ryan

[RyanbabZ71]

Wow those guys need to loosen up their under roos haha. They seem to despise the LS3 engine. Good thing I have an L99 haha

 

 

Ryan

[patriot]

I just took a look... Lots of GM haters in that thread.

Someone call a Waaaaambulance!

 

 

[SnakeEyeSS]

I just took a look... Lots of GM haters in that thread.

 

GM haters? Lol, you must have never heard of PY before. Its a Pontiac specific site. Its THE Pontiac specific site. A LOT of purists, that's why they are so cranky, you need to see where they are coming from. Pontiac is gone, they want history preserved, not Camaro parts installed. Most people don't even know the Firebird was the corner carver of the 1st gen F-bodys, due to the BOP V8 being considerably lighter than the BBC.

 

 

Here is an extreme example:

There is a guy there right now restoring a dilapidated 69 TA, to assembly line correct status. The guy spent over 100,000 doing the same to a dodge four door worth maybe 18K now.

 

He bought a mint, original owner 69 Firebird 400 with low miles, that had the same interior as the 69 TA had, when it still had one.

 

He is going to use the Mint car as a donor to the rust bucket TA. Interior swap, cut out body panels, etc. He is going to destroy a time capsule car to restore a semi-rare one.

 

But, many of them actually like my car. It's been pretty heavily altered, you may know, so why do they like it?

 

Its all Pontiac. It uses high performance parts from Pontiac boutique/race shops, based on Pontiac V8 architecture.

Edited February 1, 2015 by SnakeEyes

[patriot]

Oops! OK...Pontiac purists. Go figure.

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Purists I can understand...but not THAT rabid.

[SnakeEyeSS]

But you have to understand they weren't trying to go for original numbers matching. Just making a cool car.

 

 

Ryan

Like I said, haven't watched it.

 

Its not like most people will be upset, they went from a rust bucket, to a car they could flip for good money and buy what they really want if they aren't happy with it. That would be my mindset. I remember seeing on a website where they actually tracked how fast people sold their cars from these shows. I think "Pimp my ride" people dumped their cars pretty quick .

 

Wonder what the tax situation is with these cars? Technically they would have to claim the value of the restoration? Wonder if the show covers that.

 

 

One thing gets me:

The second firebird they did, supposedly the owner had started restoring it to original condition, and they took those parts out? That's pretty arrogant if true!

Edited February 1, 2015 by SnakeEyes

[kstruckcountry]

Eh honestly I can't stand the #'s matching extremists. They can look down on the guy with the "ls" swap in his rust bucket Camaro all they want, but fact is his is faster for 10% of the money. They can look down on '80's Germans too, but once again, they're also faster.

 

That said, I don't care for many of Foose's jobs. Have seen plenty of cars done in farm shops and garages that I'd rather have.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Oops! OK...Pontiac purists. Go figure.

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Purists I can understand...but not THAT rabid.

They aren't mean to people on the site, its usually very friendly. The worst it gets is people just groan and moan a lot when someone shows up with a GTO or Firebird with a SBC 350. (Which is startlingly common.)

 

Imagine here if someone showed off their 69 C-10 SWB with a new Ford Coyote 5.0L, a lot of "What The...." Would ensue.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Eh honestly I can't stand the #'s matching extremists. They can look down on the guy with the "ls" swap in his rust bucket Camaro all they want, but fact is his is faster for 10% of the money. They can look down on '80's Germans too, but once again, they're also faster.

 

That said, I don't care for many of Foose's jobs. Have seen plenty of cars done in farm shops and garages that I'd rather have.

A lot of bad info here.

Don't take this as an insult, we are all partially here to learn stuff, right? I'm sure your talking about FI LS cars, so go look at GMPP crate motors, yes, the LS ones..... Engines designed for FI make more power with a carb. The race spec ones. Rated for more power with a carb. Now, go look at crate engine prices. Carbed engines make more power for less money. Example: turn key 430HP engine at summit for $4500, turn key LS3 is $8K WITHOUT electronics, which is a few thousand more. A connect and cruise kit(engine, trans, and all electronics) is $13K.

 

 

And 80s German cars? Guess you weren't around this site when I owned, modified, and semi-restored one myself? They handle and are wonderfully engineered, but fast, they are not. Unless your talking about the high geared V12's, which one engine repair costs more than the car.

Edited February 1, 2015 by SnakeEyes

[austingta]

Oops! OK...Pontiac purists. Go figure.

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Purists I can understand...but not THAT rabid.

PY and v8Buick are pretty dedicated to their brands and their originality. Not that they don't race them, but there is certain disdain for nontraditional parts. Both are good sites, full of guys who really know what they are talking about.

[KARNUT]

I got over being a purist, last one was a mint restored 64 el Camino. It was black 4 speed, factory air. It drove me crazy. That's why I play with my 92 Chevy truck 1/3 the money 10 times the fun.

 

 

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[kstruckcountry]

A lot of bad info here.

Don't take this as an insult, we are all partially here to learn stuff, right? I'm sure your talking about FI LS cars, so go look at GMPP crate motors, yes, the LS ones..... Engines designed for FI make more power with a carb. The race spec ones. Rated for more power with a carb. Now, go look at crate engine prices. Carbed engines make more power for less money. Example: turn key 430HP engine at summit for $4500, turn key LS3 is $8K WITHOUT electronics, which is a few thousand more. A connect and cruise kit(engine, trans, and all electronics) is $13K.

 

 

And 80s German cars? Guess you weren't around this site when I owned, modified, and semi-restored one myself? They handle and are wonderfully engineered, but fast, they are not. Unless your talking about the high geared V12's, which one engine repair costs more than the car.

My point wasn't ls power, what I was trying to convey is that I don't really understand people dissing non original cars, when so much can be gained by a newer/modified powerplant, whether it be FI or carb. Like your car, lol.

 

What's your definition of fast? This is basically where I want mine as far as mods.

 

 

[SnakeEyeSS]

My point wasn't ls power, what I was trying to convey is that I don't really understand people dissing non original cars, when so much can be gained by a newer/modified powerplant, whether it be FI or carb. Like your car, lol.

 

What's your definition of fast? This is basically where I want mine as far as mods.

 

 

Those cars weren't designed for straight line speed in mind. The germans simply didn't care, and that was the beauty of their cars then. It was once they started moving more cars in the American markets that it became more important to them.

 

BMW is the PRIME example.

You could probably track the increase in BMW sales in america, straight line speed, and decline in journalists impressions on their cars with the same line on a graph.

 

Onto the video.

So more than 20 seconds to get to 124 mph?(video starts a little under 20 kph, so never see the launch if there was one). Not bad for an 80s four banger, OE 80s German Looks like the second run gets there in roughly 18.

 

In the grand scheme though, Stock 4th gen LS1 gets there several seconds faster.

 

 

They weren't dissing the bird because it was " non original" they were because it was "non 67 firebird". If overhaulin had used the correct body parts and correct lights there wouldn't have been nearly as much fuss.(again I didn't see it) I think one person even saw they were using sub par quality brand parts (suggesting Chinese made knock offs that wouldn't live up to 60s quality control, as there wasn't any, the new cars had like a 6 month warranty then .)

Edited February 2, 2015 by SnakeEyes

[RyanbabZ71]

They got their parts from classic industries for the build

 

 

Ryan